Posted by The Taint on 6/5/2015 5:38:00 AM (view original):
I was offered health care(wife's was better), got 10 days of paid vacation(as much unpaid as I wanted within reason), and invested in my retirement on my own.

I left for multiple reasons. I got a job where I have weekends off, I made more money, and started doing something I love even more, selling beer.

You got out because it's a young man's(or woman's) job.    You get older and the "fun" part of the job started to suck.   Being up til 4 and sleeping til early afternoon became problematic to spending time with wifey and friends.    Interacting with interesting people became "serving drunk ******* who tell the same story I've heard a hundred times".    The drunken chick poon became off-limits, well, because wifey wasn't putting up with that ****.

The only old bartenders are owners and/or old women who have no other skillset.

Unlike moy, I think creating service industry jobs is important.   It gives young people, even if it's part-time, the ability to join the work force.   They develop skills that will hopefully allow them to move up the job ladder.   It's not "I'm a great President!!!" material but it's better than nothing. 

Posted by mchales_army on 6/5/2015 10:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/5/2015 9:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 6/5/2015 6:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 6/5/2015 5:38:00 AM (view original):
I was offered health care(wife's was better), got 10 days of paid vacation(as much unpaid as I wanted within reason), and invested in my retirement on my own.

I left for multiple reasons. I got a job where I have weekends off, I made more money, and started doing something I love even more, selling beer.

So is that the norm in the industry? Crummy healthcare, 2 weeks of being paid minimum wage for vacation (you didn't get tips correct?), and no 401k/401k match? Sounds awesome....

You have to work weekends, and holidays and/or nights in many cases... Don't make 'that much' money (especially when figuring in the palty employee benefits), and I cant imagine how gratifying it must be serving food to people for a living. Again... Sounds awesome.

I wouldnt be bragging about creating more server jobs...

And temp jobs...

And caretaker jobs...


Don't get me wrong, there is a place for all those jobs... But let's not pretend all is well when the majority of jobs being created are low end jobs and wage growth remains stagnant after 6 years in office.

The solution to this problem is not coming from the right (or from a moderate democrat like Obama).

Please elaborate.

If the answer isn't coming from the right, and it isn't coming from the middle, then by default, what you are saying is that the solution is only to be found on the left.

What is that solution that you are speaking of?

The solution to the income inequality problem would require massive changes.

By definition, conservatives are not in favor of making massive changes. Pragmatically, people already in power (Obama, Senators, etc.) are not interested in massive changes.

The solution will have to come from someone else. Someone who isn't conservative and who, probably, isn't already in power.

So then there isn't a definable solution yet, but if and when one were to come about, it would have to come from a left leaning person not in power at this time?

Oh there is a solution. But people who aren't in favor of big changes (conservatives) and people who are already in power aren't going to spend the political capital to get it done. They don't care if people live in poverty or if taxes on middle class workers are too high. They already have theirs.

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/5/2015 10:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 6/5/2015 5:38:00 AM (view original):
I was offered health care(wife's was better), got 10 days of paid vacation(as much unpaid as I wanted within reason), and invested in my retirement on my own.

I left for multiple reasons. I got a job where I have weekends off, I made more money, and started doing something I love even more, selling beer.

You got out because it's a young man's(or woman's) job.    You get older and the "fun" part of the job started to suck.   Being up til 4 and sleeping til early afternoon became problematic to spending time with wifey and friends.    Interacting with interesting people became "serving drunk ******* who tell the same story I've heard a hundred times".    The drunken chick poon became off-limits, well, because wifey wasn't putting up with that ****.

The only old bartenders are owners and/or old women who have no other skillset.

Unlike moy, I think creating service industry jobs is important.   It gives young people, even if it's part-time, the ability to join the work force.   They develop skills that will hopefully allow them to move up the job ladder.   It's not "I'm a great President!!!" material but it's better than nothing. 

I agree with your last paragraph... I've said multiple times in this thread its 'nice' to see the unemployment number dropping, but a quick look under the sheets shows its nothing to brag about at this point. 500,000 more part-time jobs, stagnant wages, and low quality job creation is what you will see upon a closer look at that specific unemployment number.

I'd have like to have seen more manufacturing, construction, and technology jobs which do much more for ones career and to promote the health economy overall. I'd have like to seen a big drop in corporate tax rates to accomplish this... Invite companies like Toyota and Honda to refurbish out factories, hire our workers, and make/assemble more products in the USA..... Invite companies like apple, google, etc to bring much of the trillions in offshore accounts back to the USA. Unfortunately that's not going to happen with this president.

I'd have also liked to have seen more money reallocated to education... In particular trade schools because plumbing, electrical, and other similar trades pay well, arent going away, and are in high demand.

Education is tough.   Pretty much everyone knows that would be good for the country.   10 years from now.   Presidential terms are 4 years.    The only "education" Presidents we'll see are 2nd term guys.    First term Presidents need something to hang their hat on for re-election.  

Posted by moy23 on 6/5/2015 4:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/5/2015 10:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 6/5/2015 5:38:00 AM (view original):
I was offered health care(wife's was better), got 10 days of paid vacation(as much unpaid as I wanted within reason), and invested in my retirement on my own.

I left for multiple reasons. I got a job where I have weekends off, I made more money, and started doing something I love even more, selling beer.

You got out because it's a young man's(or woman's) job.    You get older and the "fun" part of the job started to suck.   Being up til 4 and sleeping til early afternoon became problematic to spending time with wifey and friends.    Interacting with interesting people became "serving drunk ******* who tell the same story I've heard a hundred times".    The drunken chick poon became off-limits, well, because wifey wasn't putting up with that ****.

The only old bartenders are owners and/or old women who have no other skillset.

Unlike moy, I think creating service industry jobs is important.   It gives young people, even if it's part-time, the ability to join the work force.   They develop skills that will hopefully allow them to move up the job ladder.   It's not "I'm a great President!!!" material but it's better than nothing. 

I agree with your last paragraph... I've said multiple times in this thread its 'nice' to see the unemployment number dropping, but a quick look under the sheets shows its nothing to brag about at this point. 500,000 more part-time jobs, stagnant wages, and low quality job creation is what you will see upon a closer look at that specific unemployment number.

I'd have like to have seen more manufacturing, construction, and technology jobs which do much more for ones career and to promote the health economy overall. I'd have like to seen a big drop in corporate tax rates to accomplish this... Invite companies like Toyota and Honda to refurbish out factories, hire our workers, and make/assemble more products in the USA..... Invite companies like apple, google, etc to bring much of the trillions in offshore accounts back to the USA. Unfortunately that's not going to happen with this president.

I'd have also liked to have seen more money reallocated to education... In particular trade schools because plumbing, electrical, and other similar trades pay well, arent going away, and are in high demand.

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I'd have like to have seen more manufacturing, construction, and technology jobs which do much more for ones career and to promote the health economy overall. I'd have like to seen a big drop in corporate tax rates to accomplish this

Reducing corporate tax rates does not increase hiring. More people buying cars/houses/etc. is the only thing that increases hiring in those fields. Without demand, you can lower the corporate tax rate to zero...it still won't increase hiring.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/5/2015 4:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 6/5/2015 4:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/5/2015 10:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 6/5/2015 5:38:00 AM (view original):
I was offered health care(wife's was better), got 10 days of paid vacation(as much unpaid as I wanted within reason), and invested in my retirement on my own.

I left for multiple reasons. I got a job where I have weekends off, I made more money, and started doing something I love even more, selling beer.

You got out because it's a young man's(or woman's) job.    You get older and the "fun" part of the job started to suck.   Being up til 4 and sleeping til early afternoon became problematic to spending time with wifey and friends.    Interacting with interesting people became "serving drunk ******* who tell the same story I've heard a hundred times".    The drunken chick poon became off-limits, well, because wifey wasn't putting up with that ****.

The only old bartenders are owners and/or old women who have no other skillset.

Unlike moy, I think creating service industry jobs is important.   It gives young people, even if it's part-time, the ability to join the work force.   They develop skills that will hopefully allow them to move up the job ladder.   It's not "I'm a great President!!!" material but it's better than nothing. 

I agree with your last paragraph... I've said multiple times in this thread its 'nice' to see the unemployment number dropping, but a quick look under the sheets shows its nothing to brag about at this point. 500,000 more part-time jobs, stagnant wages, and low quality job creation is what you will see upon a closer look at that specific unemployment number.

I'd have like to have seen more manufacturing, construction, and technology jobs which do much more for ones career and to promote the health economy overall. I'd have like to seen a big drop in corporate tax rates to accomplish this... Invite companies like Toyota and Honda to refurbish out factories, hire our workers, and make/assemble more products in the USA..... Invite companies like apple, google, etc to bring much of the trillions in offshore accounts back to the USA. Unfortunately that's not going to happen with this president.

I'd have also liked to have seen more money reallocated to education... In particular trade schools because plumbing, electrical, and other similar trades pay well, arent going away, and are in high demand.

_______________________________

I'd have like to have seen more manufacturing, construction, and technology jobs which do much more for ones career and to promote the health economy overall. I'd have like to seen a big drop in corporate tax rates to accomplish this

Reducing corporate tax rates does not increase hiring. More people buying cars/houses/etc. is the only thing that increases hiring in those fields. Without demand, you can lower the corporate tax rate to zero...it still won't increase hiring.

UNBEBEABAL ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Posted by bad_luck on 6/5/2015 4:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 6/5/2015 4:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/5/2015 10:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 6/5/2015 5:38:00 AM (view original):
I was offered health care(wife's was better), got 10 days of paid vacation(as much unpaid as I wanted within reason), and invested in my retirement on my own.

I left for multiple reasons. I got a job where I have weekends off, I made more money, and started doing something I love even more, selling beer.

You got out because it's a young man's(or woman's) job.    You get older and the "fun" part of the job started to suck.   Being up til 4 and sleeping til early afternoon became problematic to spending time with wifey and friends.    Interacting with interesting people became "serving drunk ******* who tell the same story I've heard a hundred times".    The drunken chick poon became off-limits, well, because wifey wasn't putting up with that ****.

The only old bartenders are owners and/or old women who have no other skillset.

Unlike moy, I think creating service industry jobs is important.   It gives young people, even if it's part-time, the ability to join the work force.   They develop skills that will hopefully allow them to move up the job ladder.   It's not "I'm a great President!!!" material but it's better than nothing. 

I agree with your last paragraph... I've said multiple times in this thread its 'nice' to see the unemployment number dropping, but a quick look under the sheets shows its nothing to brag about at this point. 500,000 more part-time jobs, stagnant wages, and low quality job creation is what you will see upon a closer look at that specific unemployment number.

I'd have like to have seen more manufacturing, construction, and technology jobs which do much more for ones career and to promote the health economy overall. I'd have like to seen a big drop in corporate tax rates to accomplish this... Invite companies like Toyota and Honda to refurbish out factories, hire our workers, and make/assemble more products in the USA..... Invite companies like apple, google, etc to bring much of the trillions in offshore accounts back to the USA. Unfortunately that's not going to happen with this president.

I'd have also liked to have seen more money reallocated to education... In particular trade schools because plumbing, electrical, and other similar trades pay well, arent going away, and are in high demand.

_______________________________

I'd have like to have seen more manufacturing, construction, and technology jobs which do much more for ones career and to promote the health economy overall. I'd have like to seen a big drop in corporate tax rates to accomplish this

Reducing corporate tax rates does not increase hiring. More people buying cars/houses/etc. is the only thing that increases hiring in those fields. Without demand, you can lower the corporate tax rate to zero...it still won't increase hiring.

How do you explain the study below... And the mass exodus from Illinois?

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-unfriendly-business-environment-killing-jobs-growth/

No clue, I can't click on the link.

But if you're talking about state to state competition, sure, lower taxes equal lower costs, so it makes sense for a business to move. But that doesn't create MORE jobs, it just takes existing jobs in one location (Illinois) and moves them to another location.

WRONG ^^^^^^^^^^^

Posted by bad_luck on 6/5/2015 7:24:00 PM (view original):
But if you're talking about state to state competition, sure, lower taxes equal lower costs, so it makes sense for a business to move. But that doesn't create MORE jobs, it just takes existing jobs in one location (Illinois) and moves them to another location.

Did these 29,500 Honda jobs simply move here from Japan (I.e. Japanese workers moving to the US) or were they created here in the USA?

http://www.hondainamerica.com/employment

From Obama's white house - https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/10/31/new-report-foreign-direct-investment-united-states



Foreign direct investment benefits the U.S. Economy:

In 2011, value-added by majority-owned U.S. affiliates of foreign companies accounted for 4.7 percent of total U.S. private output.

***These firms employed 5.6 million people in the United States, or 4.1 percent of private-sector employment. About one-third of jobs at U.S. affiliates are in the manufacturing sector.***

These affiliates account for 9.6 percent of U.S. private investment and 15.9 percent of U.S. private research and development spending.

In the 2008-09 recession and subsequent recovery, employment at U.S. affiliates was more stable than overall private-sector employment. As a result, U.S. affiliates’ share of total U.S. manufacturing employment rose from 14.8 percent in 2007 to 17.8 percent in 2011.

Compensation at U.S. affiliates has been consistently higher than the U.S. average over time, and the differential holds for both manufacturing and non-manufacturing jobs.