Posted by burnsy483 on 2/6/2015 4:27:00 PM (view original):
My overall, original point, was that there are poor people who make dumb financial decisions (like smoking), and clearly aren't doing enough to get themselves in a better position in life, and they're doing it on taxpaper money. That's unacceptable. I obviously lean left, but I lean left when people actually do something with the help they're getting. You can't smoke and also be on welfare for a decade. No, no, no. No.

BECAUSE I lean left, I advocate spending money on mandatory programs for people who NEED money from the government to live. Something went wrong, let's help you get back on track. For your sake, and also to make society better.

If you refuse the program, then the government refuses to give you money.  I have a feeling you'll be using that program.

Posted by moy23 on 2/6/2015 4:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/6/2015 4:21:00 PM (view original):
So one can't be smart with their money and smoke?

Sure they can.... The CDC has statistics for that. Those people would not be on welfare however so I really don't care what they do or how they spend.

They are typically driving ****** cars - just an observation though.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/6/2015 4:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 2/6/2015 4:27:00 PM (view original):
My overall, original point, was that there are poor people who make dumb financial decisions (like smoking), and clearly aren't doing enough to get themselves in a better position in life, and they're doing it on taxpaper money. That's unacceptable. I obviously lean left, but I lean left when people actually do something with the help they're getting. You can't smoke and also be on welfare for a decade. No, no, no. No.

BECAUSE I lean left, I advocate spending money on mandatory programs for people who NEED money from the government to live. Something went wrong, let's help you get back on track. For your sake, and also to make society better.

If you refuse the program, then the government refuses to give you money.  I have a feeling you'll be using that program.

But you can go to movies and eat fast food for a decade while getting govt assistance?

Seems to me that you just hate smoking.    You're less concerned with other "wastes" but, BY GOD, don't you dare enjoy a Marlboro.

Posted by burnsy483 on 2/6/2015 4:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/6/2015 4:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 2/6/2015 4:27:00 PM (view original):
My overall, original point, was that there are poor people who make dumb financial decisions (like smoking), and clearly aren't doing enough to get themselves in a better position in life, and they're doing it on taxpaper money. That's unacceptable. I obviously lean left, but I lean left when people actually do something with the help they're getting. You can't smoke and also be on welfare for a decade. No, no, no. No.

BECAUSE I lean left, I advocate spending money on mandatory programs for people who NEED money from the government to live. Something went wrong, let's help you get back on track. For your sake, and also to make society better.

If you refuse the program, then the government refuses to give you money.  I have a feeling you'll be using that program.

But you can go to movies and eat fast food for a decade while getting govt assistance?

Seems to me that you just hate smoking.    You're less concerned with other "wastes" but, BY GOD, don't you dare enjoy a Marlboro.

If you see 4 movies a week (fast food is cheap), there likely will be a problem. That's also unacceptable. 

Seems to me you're hung up on the smoking aspect. It stands out because it's pointless and expensive. There are a ton of pack-a-day smoking poor people. There aren't many 4-movies-a-week poor people.

I was thinking you were stuck on the smoking aspect. 

I think obesity is a big problem in America.    Eating fast food is a major contributor to obesity.   Obesity creates so many health problems but, unlike cancer, you don't always die within a few years.  You're a medical burden on everyone.   But you're OK with welfare recipients chowing down at McD's as long as it's cheap.