Posted by burnsy483 on 2/4/2015 4:49:00 PM (view original):
You're arguing for the sake of arguing again. We both agree on this issue. Move on.

We can agree and I can still point out flaws in our agreement.    After all, it sounds like we're prepared to tell people how to raise their children.   Well, one of us is.  And it's not me.

Posted by moy23 on 2/4/2015 4:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 2/4/2015 4:37:00 PM (view original):
You find it stupid because it makes many conservatives look dumb. It's not a coincidence that those in politics who oppose this are conservatives, because, in general, they're uncomfortable with the government telling anyone to do anything. But there are limits, this is very important. And when people who are considering running for president believe in very dumb things, people should know about it.

Hello? Obama's stance on the issue...

"we shouldn’t need to compel behavior that’s already clearly compelled by basic common sense. Vaccines are obviously the right thing to do, he says, so why should you need the state to twist people’s arms?"

Doesn't sound like he is pushing for mandated vaccinations. Sounds like he is saying people should make their own decisions w/o govt involvement.

We shouldn't need to. But if people aren't making the obvious right choice on an issue that has the potential to impact the population as a whole, then mandates are necessary.

Posted by moy23 on 2/4/2015 4:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 2/4/2015 4:50:00 PM (view original):
I would be perfectly fine if it was mandated. You'd think it's compelled by basic common sense, but it seems it isn't.

Agreed.

Someone should tell Obama that.

Mandate?   You can shove your mandate right up your ***!!!!

Posted by moy23 on 2/4/2015 5:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/4/2015 4:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 2/4/2015 4:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 2/4/2015 4:37:00 PM (view original):
You find it stupid because it makes many conservatives look dumb. It's not a coincidence that those in politics who oppose this are conservatives, because, in general, they're uncomfortable with the government telling anyone to do anything. But there are limits, this is very important. And when people who are considering running for president believe in very dumb things, people should know about it.

Hello? Obama's stance on the issue...

"we shouldn’t need to compel behavior that’s already clearly compelled by basic common sense. Vaccines are obviously the right thing to do, he says, so why should you need the state to twist people’s arms?"

Doesn't sound like he is pushing for mandated vaccinations. Sounds like he is saying people should make their own decisions w/o govt involvement.

We shouldn't need to. But if people aren't making the obvious right choice on an issue that has the potential to impact the population as a whole, then mandates are necessary.

Well written piece by the Washington times explaining how both dems and repubs are vulnerable on the issue...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/3/hillary-clinton-obama-entangled-in-vaccines-debate/


BTW - scott walker is all for vaccination, as is Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, and many many other republicans.

This isn't really a right/left issue. It's a sane/insane issue. Paul (not really Christie) is pandering to the insane. That's a problem for someone running for president.

I'm not worried about what Obama or Clinton said seven years ago when they are on record now saying that vaccines should be required.

Something tells me this is not an issue that will tilt the political scales in either direction.    Pointing to the extremes is something both sides like to do but, surely, there can't be that many against vaccinations on either side.

Wrapping the vaccination thing up:

1) Anti-vaccinations is hardly a Republican issue. Mike is right. It's an extreme of both sides. Some Repubs don't want it mandated, but do it anyway. Some Dems don't want it mandated, because they think it causes autism.



It doesn't show on this chart by Mississippi was #1 in percent of vaccinations at 99.7% of all kids.

2. Rand Paul isn't going to get sunk by this. He has issues of pandering all across the spectrum.

3. The percent of people that will alter their vote based on past vaccination statements of Christie, Bush, Clinton, etc is probably about 0.000000001% of the electorate.

The vaccination thing is just one more example of the marriage of the leftist main stream media and the leftist WH swapping spit and exchanging e-mail.  Circle the wagons and do the cheap carnival trick and keep everybodys eye off the ball.  They did the same thing with the war on women.  The war that never happened while these guys allowed a real war to blossom and become a real and immediate threat. These people can't allow you to be concerned about anything that really matters. Not spending. Not jobs. Not debt. Not security. Not allies. Not taxes. Not the IRS. Not the EPA. Not immigration. None of that matters.  It's all about Ferguson or a war on something or the latest thing to come around the news cycle to keep your attention for a week or two because you don't want a good crisis to go to waste while you're busy pushing your agenda under the radar and around the Constitution.

And so with Brian Williams in mind, I refuse to listen to the talking heads, from whatever party.

In closing.  Christie is a fat whale and Bush is a money man and Paul is unqualified at sight and the rest of them, as the former, are retreads.  Old news.  They all had their chance.  NAME SOMEBODY!  Doesn't matter.  

There is only one choice for the working man. The true conservative leader. The only one who won't back down.  SCOTT WALKER!  Next President.

WALKER, JINDAHL, KASICH, AND BROWNBACK CONSERVATIVE GOVS. WHO ARE LEAVING WISCONCIN, LOUISIANA, OHIO, AND KANSAS IN ECONOMIC RUIN

FOR GENERATIONS, A ******* MESS

DON'T LET TEABAGGERS NEAR THE OVAL OFFICE

Good post bc.  Still living with the dinosaurs?  Obama has left 50 states in economic ruin.  For generations.  But it was the perfect post.

Who cares what he thinks about evolution?   I don't care what he thinks about UFOs either.   Is that all you got?  From the AP?  

I wonder what Hillary thinks about anything.

SHE BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION

I would guess Walker believes in evolution. But he has to win the nomination first, and he's afraid of alienating the religious right, so in that moment, he avoided the question. It's the same **** as the Obama thing we were talking about.