Posted by MikeT23 on 12/5/2014 3:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/5/2014 2:53:00 PM (view original):
Using the wrong procedure resulted in a death. That could easily be argued as negligence. Unless you're a DA.

"If you feel a physical confrontation is coming" - why did you get this indication? I didn't get this indication. His hands are in the air. That's generally the "leave me alone, I'm not going to hurt you" pose, not the "I'm about to throw down" pose.

Ever been in a bar and a guy sits down and, soon enough, says "I'm not looking for a fight" for no apparent reason?    If so, you know that dude is fighting somebody within a half hour.   Appearances/words don't mean a lot.   Actions do.

The police indicated they intended to detain him.   That requires cuffing.   You can't cuff a guy who has his hands in the air.   Do you think he was suddenly going to cooperate?

Posted by moy23 on 12/5/2014 3:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/5/2014 3:13:00 PM (view original):
Are you saying that the cop had no other option but a choke hold?

Maybe a taser.... Or shooting out his kneecap. Garners too big to bring down otherwise and its not like he was planning to go with them based on what he said and his swatting actions at the cops.

Do you think most chokeholds result in death?

Posted by moy23 on 12/5/2014 3:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/5/2014 3:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 12/5/2014 3:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/5/2014 3:13:00 PM (view original):
Are you saying that the cop had no other option but a choke hold?

Maybe a taser.... Or shooting out his kneecap. Garners too big to bring down otherwise and its not like he was planning to go with them based on what he said and his swatting actions at the cops.

Do you think most chokeholds result in death?

I think there's a reason cops are issued tasers and forbidden from using choke holds.

And if the taser killed the asmatic garner... You'd have no issue?

http://rt.com/usa/500-taser-law-enforcement-503/

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/5/2014 3:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/5/2014 3:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/5/2014 2:53:00 PM (view original):
Using the wrong procedure resulted in a death. That could easily be argued as negligence. Unless you're a DA.

"If you feel a physical confrontation is coming" - why did you get this indication? I didn't get this indication. His hands are in the air. That's generally the "leave me alone, I'm not going to hurt you" pose, not the "I'm about to throw down" pose.

Ever been in a bar and a guy sits down and, soon enough, says "I'm not looking for a fight" for no apparent reason?    If so, you know that dude is fighting somebody within a half hour.   Appearances/words don't mean a lot.   Actions do.

The police indicated they intended to detain him.   That requires cuffing.   You can't cuff a guy who has his hands in the air.   Do you think he was suddenly going to cooperate?

I haven't, no. 

Why don't you try to get his hands around his back first? That allows him to breathe.

Posted by moy23 on 12/5/2014 3:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/5/2014 3:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 12/5/2014 3:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/5/2014 3:13:00 PM (view original):
Are you saying that the cop had no other option but a choke hold?

Maybe a taser.... Or shooting out his kneecap. Garners too big to bring down otherwise and its not like he was planning to go with them based on what he said and his swatting actions at the cops.

Do you think most chokeholds result in death?

I think there's a reason cops are issued tasers and forbidden from using choke holds.

And if the taser killed the asmatic garner... You'd have no issue?

http://rt.com/usa/500-taser-law-enforcement-503/

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/5/2014 3:38:00 PM (view original):
This is from Wiki:

"Get away [garbled] for what? Every time you see me, you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today. Why would you...? Everyone standing here will tell you I didn't do nothing. I did not sell nothing. Because everytime you see me, you want to harass me. You want to stop me [garbled] Selling cigarettes. I'm minding my business, officer, I'm minding my business. Please just leave me alone. I told you the last time, please just leave me alone."

Sounds a little threatening to me. 

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/5/2014 3:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 12/5/2014 3:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/5/2014 3:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 12/5/2014 3:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/5/2014 3:13:00 PM (view original):
Are you saying that the cop had no other option but a choke hold?

Maybe a taser.... Or shooting out his kneecap. Garners too big to bring down otherwise and its not like he was planning to go with them based on what he said and his swatting actions at the cops.

Do you think most chokeholds result in death?

I think there's a reason cops are issued tasers and forbidden from using choke holds.

And if the taser killed the asmatic garner... You'd have no issue?

http://rt.com/usa/500-taser-law-enforcement-503/

Yeah, a guy with his litany of health problems wouldn't be bothered by jolt of electricity.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/5/2014 3:38:00 PM (view original):
This is from Wiki:

"Get away [garbled] for what? Every time you see me, you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today. Why would you...? Everyone standing here will tell you I didn't do nothing. I did not sell nothing. Because everytime you see me, you want to harass me. You want to stop me [garbled] Selling cigarettes. I'm minding my business, officer, I'm minding my business. Please just leave me alone. I told you the last time, please just leave me alone."

Sounds a little threatening to me. 

"Get away [garbled] for what? Every time you see me, you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today. Why would you...? Everyone standing here will tell you I didn't do nothing. I did not sell nothing. Because everytime you see me, you want to harass me. You want to stop me [garbled] Selling cigarettes. I'm minding my business, officer, I'm minding my business. Please just leave me alone. I told you the last time, please just leave me alone."

I saw the video. If you felt threatened, I'm wondering if you feel threatened often.

Also, people generally aren't dumb enough to attack 4 people with guns, I certainly wouldn't assume he was about to, while holding his hands up in the air.

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/5/2014 3:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/5/2014 3:38:00 PM (view original):
This is from Wiki:

"Get away [garbled] for what? Every time you see me, you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today. Why would you...? Everyone standing here will tell you I didn't do nothing. I did not sell nothing. Because everytime you see me, you want to harass me. You want to stop me [garbled] Selling cigarettes. I'm minding my business, officer, I'm minding my business. Please just leave me alone. I told you the last time, please just leave me alone."

Sounds a little threatening to me. 

"Get away [garbled] for what? Every time you see me, you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today. Why would you...? Everyone standing here will tell you I didn't do nothing. I did not sell nothing. Because everytime you see me, you want to harass me. You want to stop me [garbled] Selling cigarettes. I'm minding my business, officer, I'm minding my business. Please just leave me alone. I told you the last time, please just leave me alone."

I saw the video. If you felt threatened, I'm wondering if you feel threatened often.

Also, people generally aren't dumb enough to attack 4 people with guns, I certainly wouldn't assume he was about to, while holding his hands up in the air.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/5/2014 3:56:00 PM (view original):
Also, most people aren't dumb enough to resist arrest but, for some reason, Garner did.   

Are you saying he's dumb?