Posted by burnsy483 on 11/26/2014 9:31:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 7:00:00 AM (view original):
In the minds of many, the only acceptable outcome was life in prison or execution for Wilson.   Otherwise, there was no justice.  This guy obviously wanted justice.

Exactly.  They don't really want "justice", despite the many signs the protesters have been carrying demanding it.  They just want the white cop to be guilty, even if he's not.

Just like the lynch mob mentality of the 1930's.

You're really acting like an idiot.

I'll ask again - What were 1930's blacks being "scapegoats" for? Why was the white population lynching blacks?

Is there a reason the blacks in Ferguson are acting the way they are?

1930's.  Something bad happens to a white person.  Let's find a darkie and string him up from the nearest tree.  Because he's got the skin color we don't trust or like.

Ferguson.  Something bad happened to a black person.  Let's ignore facts and evidence and demand that the white cop be convicted.  Because he's got the skin color we don't trust or like.

So again, you're missing the point.  Ferguson residents aren't protesting how all white people are out to get them.  But this PD seems to be, based on prior experience and evidence of arrest/crime records by the same PD. An unarmed teenager was killed, and they don't believe the officer's account, because the PD has ****** them over before.

What horrible thing did blacks do in the 1930s in treating white people so unfairly? Aside from not being their property?

Are you implying that the destruction is only to police property?   Because I can guarantee that's wrong.

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 9:28:00 AM (view original):
The injustice in this case is that a 28 y/o man has had his career choice taken from him for doing his job.  We know, many times per day, that police officers look the other way.   Not worth the paperwork or the hassle.    They see a large man, accompanied by a friend, walking in the middle of the street.   Maybe he stole some cigars.   Major bust there.   How easy would it have been for Wilson to drive by, say "Hey, get your ***** on the sidewalk" and continue on?  How many times a day does a cop do exactly that?   He didn't.   He chose to do his job.   Now, at an age when most people are just getting started with their careers, his has been taken away.   This is a national story not a local or regional one.   He can't be a cop anywhere.  Where is the justice in that?   **** Brown, the victim in this case is Darren Wilson.

Wilson is more a victim then Brown was, I agree.  Unless there's documentation of prior blatant racism on his part (the Brown family suggests there is), then I wouldn't care all that much.  I think cameras on police officers make sense, so we can have better evidence for crimes in the future.

My guess is the Brown family will seek a payday. 

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 9:34:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 7:00:00 AM (view original):
In the minds of many, the only acceptable outcome was life in prison or execution for Wilson.   Otherwise, there was no justice.  This guy obviously wanted justice.

Exactly.  They don't really want "justice", despite the many signs the protesters have been carrying demanding it.  They just want the white cop to be guilty, even if he's not.

Just like the lynch mob mentality of the 1930's.

You're really acting like an idiot.

I'll ask again - What were 1930's blacks being "scapegoats" for? Why was the white population lynching blacks?

Is there a reason the blacks in Ferguson are acting the way they are?

1930's.  Something bad happens to a white person.  Let's find a darkie and string him up from the nearest tree.  Because he's got the skin color we don't trust or like.

Ferguson.  Something bad happened to a black person.  Let's ignore facts and evidence and demand that the white cop be convicted.  Because he's got the skin color we don't trust or like.

So again, you're missing the point.  Ferguson residents aren't protesting how all white people are out to get them.  But this PD seems to be, based on prior experience and evidence of arrest/crime records by the same PD. An unarmed teenager was killed, and they don't believe the officer's account, because the PD has ****** them over before.

What horrible thing did blacks do in the 1930s in treating white people so unfairly? Aside from not being their property?

Are you implying that the destruction is only to police property?   Because I can guarantee that's wrong.

No. AGAIN, the destruction doesn't make any ******* sense, and isn't the point.  There were original peaceful protests by more people than the ones who are rioting. There are suggestions that the majority of those rioting aren't protesting during the day.  However, riots happen for a reason.

Since we're quoting MLK earlier - "Riots are the language of the unheard."

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 9:37:00 AM (view original):
My guess is the Brown family will seek a payday. 

Absolutely. 

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/26/2014 9:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 9:37:00 AM (view original):
My guess is the Brown family will seek a payday. 

Absolutely. 

Then wouldn't you expect them to suggest Wilson is guilty of blatant racism in the past?

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 9:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/26/2014 9:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 9:37:00 AM (view original):
My guess is the Brown family will seek a payday. 

Absolutely. 

Then wouldn't you expect them to suggest Wilson is guilty of blatant racism in the past?

They seem to think there's evidence of that.  If there's evidence of the PD as a whole being racist, maybe there's evidence of Wilson specifically as well.

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/26/2014 9:42:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 9:37:00 AM (view original):
My guess is the Brown family will seek a payday. 

Absolutely. 

Then wouldn't you expect them to suggest Wilson is guilty of blatant racism in the past?

They seem to think there's evidence of that.  If there's evidence of the PD as a whole being racist, maybe there's evidence of Wilson specifically as well.

Even if there wasn't any evidence of it, wouldn't you think a family seeking a payday, even an out of court settlement, would suggest that there is?

BTW, there's "evidence" of every PD in America being racist.   I'm sure BL can find the links/stats but more blacks are arrested/convicted than non-blacks.   Maybe they're committing more crimes but we can't exactly prove who's committing unsolved crimes, can we?

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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 7:00:00 AM (view original):
In the minds of many, the only acceptable outcome was life in prison or execution for Wilson.   Otherwise, there was no justice.  This guy obviously wanted justice.

Exactly.  They don't really want "justice", despite the many signs the protesters have been carrying demanding it.  They just want the white cop to be guilty, even if he's not.

Just like the lynch mob mentality of the 1930's.

You're really acting like an idiot.

I'll ask again - What were 1930's blacks being "scapegoats" for? Why was the white population lynching blacks?

Is there a reason the blacks in Ferguson are acting the way they are?

1930's.  Something bad happens to a white person.  Let's find a darkie and string him up from the nearest tree.  Because he's got the skin color we don't trust or like.

Ferguson.  Something bad happened to a black person.  Let's ignore facts and evidence and demand that the white cop be convicted.  Because he's got the skin color we don't trust or like.

So again, you're missing the point.  Ferguson residents aren't protesting how all white people are out to get them.  But this PD seems to be, based on prior experience and evidence of arrest/crime records by the same PD. An unarmed teenager was killed, and they don't believe the officer's account, because the PD has ****** them over before.

What horrible thing did blacks do in the 1930s in treating white people so unfairly? Aside from not being their property?

Yeah, you're the one missing the point.

It doesn't matter what the specific reasons were in the 1930's, or what the specific reasons are in 2014.  The commonality is that there was/is fear, hatred and distrust of people of the opposite color in both scenarios, and when there was/is an incident, the immediate reaction was/is mob mentality and demands for punishment.  Facts or evidence don't matter.  Somebody's gotta pay.  Doesn't matter if they're actually guilty or not.

We look back at those kneejerk reactions in the 30's with disgust and horror.  Yet some people seem to want to condone what's going on today as justified.

What part of that do you not understand, or disgree with?

Posted by burnsy483 on 11/26/2014 9:42:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 9:37:00 AM (view original):
My guess is the Brown family will seek a payday. 

Absolutely. 

Then wouldn't you expect them to suggest Wilson is guilty of blatant racism in the past?

They seem to think there's evidence of that.  If there's evidence of the PD as a whole being racist, maybe there's evidence of Wilson specifically as well.

So you want to convict him of guilt by association?

"He's a white cop in Ferguson.  He must be a racist.  All them white cops in Ferguson are."

How progressive of you.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/26/2014 9:29:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by tecwrg on 11/25/2014 11:07:00 PM (view original):
That's not an answer.

What is your definition of "justice"?

I didn't realize you wanted an actual definition.

Justice: using the law to fairly resolve crimes.

Do you think that perhaps justice was done in this particular case?

Perhaps. My point is that the Ferguson PD has done enough in the past to put doubt in the minds of the people in the community.

I'm not usually a huge fan of Vox, but this was interesting:

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side

Of course you would find that "interesting".  It fits your pre-conceived version of what you want the story to be.

I don't want anything other than the truth. Wilson being justified is a much better ending to this story than the other way around. The problem is that his story, the one he gave immediately after the incident, is unbelievable.

Do you have any indication that what was presented to the grand jury wasn't "the truth"?  Or do you think the case was rigged to get a specific, predetermined result?

When tec puts it that way, there is a correlation.

White girl says she was raped by a black man(maybe she was just ******* white dudes out of wedlock and needed a scapegoat for daddy).   Crowd hunts down black man and hangs him.   No need for evidence.   She said it, he was black, done deal.

The mob in Ferguson didn't care about the Grand Jury findings unless they said the white cop killed the innocent black teenager.   When they didn't get the verdict they "knew" was right, they destroy the city. 

In neither case, evidence played no role.   Justice was what the crowd believed it to be.

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 9:44:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 9:37:00 AM (view original):
My guess is the Brown family will seek a payday. 

Absolutely. 

Then wouldn't you expect them to suggest Wilson is guilty of blatant racism in the past?

They seem to think there's evidence of that.  If there's evidence of the PD as a whole being racist, maybe there's evidence of Wilson specifically as well.

Even if there wasn't any evidence of it, wouldn't you think a family seeking a payday, even an out of court settlement, would suggest that there is?

Yes. I'm not telling you this evidence exists, I'm only saying that if that evidence does exist, I don't feel as bad for Wilson.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/26/2014 9:37:00 AM (view original):
My guess is the Brown family will seek a payday. 

Absolutely. 

Then wouldn't you expect them to suggest Wilson is guilty of blatant racism in the past?

They seem to think there's evidence of that.  If there's evidence of the PD as a whole being racist, maybe there's evidence of Wilson specifically as well.

Even if there wasn't any evidence of it, wouldn't you think a family seeking a payday, even an out of court settlement, would suggest that there is?

Yes. I'm not telling you this evidence exists, I'm only saying that if that evidence does exist, I don't feel as bad for Wilson.

The "evidence" could be that Wilson has made 118 arrests in his career.   87% of them were black.    Is that good enough?