Obama: Worst President Ever? Topic

From Fox News so take it for what it's worth:

President Obama is planning to unveil a 10-part plan for overhauling U.S. immigration policy via executive action -- including suspending deportations for millions -- as early as next Friday, a source close to the White House told Fox News. 

The president's plans were contained in a draft proposal from a U.S. government agency. The source said the plan could be announced as early as Nov. 21, though the date might slip a few days pending final White House approval. 

Obama was briefed at the White House by Homeland Security officials before leaving on his Asia-Pacific trip last week, Fox News has learned. 

White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters traveling with Obama in Burma Thursday that the president had not made a final decision on any executive actions concerning immigration and would not announce any until he returned to Washington. 

The draft plan, though, contains 10 initiatives than span everything from boosting border security to improving pay for immigration officers. 

But the most controversial pertain to the millions who could get a deportation reprieve under what is known as "deferred action." 

The plan calls for expanding deferred action for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children -- but also for the parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents. 

The latter could allow upwards of 4.5 million illegal immigrant adults with U.S.-born children to stay, according to estimates. 

Critics in the Senate say those who receive deferred action, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, receive work authorization in the United States, Social Security numbers and government-issued IDs.

Another portion that is sure to cause consternation among anti-"amnesty" lawmakers is a plan to expand deferred action for young people. In June 2012, Obama created such a program for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, entered before June 2007 and were under 31 as of June 2012. The change would expand that to cover anyone who entered before they were 16, and change the cut-off from June 2007 to Jan. 1, 2010. This is estimated to make nearly 300,000 illegal immigrants eligible. 

One of the architects for the president's planned executive actions at DHS is Esther Olavarria, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy's former top immigration lawyer. 

Under the changes, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers also would see a pay raise in order to "increase morale" within the ICE workforce. 

DHS also is planning to "promote" the new naturalization process by giving a 50 percent discount on the first 10,000 applicants who come forward, with the exception of those who have income levels above 200 percent of the poverty level. 

Tech jobs though a State Department immigrant visa program would offer another half-million immigrants a path to citizenship. This would include their spouses as well. 

The other measures include calls to revise removal priorities to target serious criminals for deportation and end the program known as "Secure Communities" and start a new program. 

The planning comes as immigrant advocates urge Obama to act. As lawmakers returned for a lame-duck session, Democrats in Congress on Wednesday implored Obama to take executive action. 

"We're begging the president. Go big. These [illegal immigrants] are a plus to our nation. Mr. President, please. You said you were going to do something. Do it. Act now," said Rep. Juan Vargas, D-Calif. 

House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer said: "I join with my colleagues in urging the president to take action. What he needs to do is give immediate relief to families who are being wrenched apart and living in fear." 

Angela Maria Kelley, vice president for immigration policy at the Center for American Progress, touted deferred action as a "tried and true component of immigration policy used by 11 presidents, 39 times in the last 60 years." 

She said for many undocumented immigration who have been here for years, "there is no line for people to get into." 

Obama has vowed to act in the absence of congressional action and has claimed that congressional action could still supersede his executive steps. That claim was restated by Earnest, who said Thursday that if the House approved an immigration reform bill previously passed by the Senate, Obama would "retract" any executive order. 

In a recent op-ed in Politico, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., said Congress would stop Obama from taking executive action by adding language explicitly barring money from being used for that purpose. "Congress has the power of the purse. The President cannot spend a dime unless Congress appropriates it," Sessions wrote. He also pointed out that similar language in the past has prevented the president from closing the Guantanamo Bay prison camp.

11/13/2014 9:23 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/13/2014 9:07:00 AM (view original):
I'm not so sure the GOP will be reaching across aisles.   Even as a right-leaner, I recognize that the DC gridlock was caused by more than one party.

That said, if they see political gain from it, of course they will.   That's why the Dem Sen called for a pipeline vote.
Well that's it... They have a lot of political gain to do so. The people want the bickering to stop, they want leadership, and ultimately when the republicans can demonstrate their bipartisanship it will 'prove' it was all Obama that would not reach across the aisle (whether that's true or not won't matter). Watch guys like McCain, McConnell, Graham, etc reach out to their buddies on the other side that are up for re-election and find the 6 senators they've known their whole life to vote Aye... Maybe even throw in some pork. Jmo.
11/13/2014 10:32 AM
That's a legit point.   "We've been trying for the last 6 years but Obama just wasn't willing to work with anyone" is a pretty good political ploy.    That's something those low information voters would eat up.
11/13/2014 10:52 AM
Posted by moy23 on 11/13/2014 8:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/13/2014 8:21:00 AM (view original):
Pipeline vote next Tuesday.  Called for by a Dem Senator facing a run-off election.    Obama unhappy.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest, traveling with President Obama in Burma, told reporters that the president takes a "dim view" of legislative efforts to force action on the project. Earnest stopped short of threatening a veto, but reiterated Obama's preference for evaluating the pipeline through a long-stalled State Department review. Obama has repeatedly ordered such reviews under pressure from environmental groups, who say the project would contribute to climate change. 

The interesting thing here is we will probably see bipartisan bills getting to Obamas desk. These guys are up for re-election and Obama is not so they will have to side with the Republicans on popular issues like the pipeline, tax reform, and even obamacare.

Now its just up to the Republicans to reach out across the aisle (which they will), find compromise (which they will), and frame the issue the best they can before bills get to the infamous veto pen. If Obama doesn't like it there is no one to blame but himself.
Lolz. The last tax reform bill brought forth by a republican from michigan was never voted on by the house. I believe Boehner said, "blah, blah, blah" when asked about it. Closing loopholes is going to close politically donated money streams from our good American citizen, the corporation. I'll believe it when I see one of these crooked bastards pass up lobbyist money for the good of the country and bi-partisanship. Both sides suck dick on that front.




A link. This was from February. Guess Boehner has a different idea about what starting a conversation "today" means. Of course now that the election is over, maybe something will get done.

And where did all the Ebola fear go?? Haven't heard the E word since Election Day.
11/13/2014 11:48 AM (edited)
Posted by The Taint on 11/13/2014 11:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 11/13/2014 8:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/13/2014 8:21:00 AM (view original):
Pipeline vote next Tuesday.  Called for by a Dem Senator facing a run-off election.    Obama unhappy.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest, traveling with President Obama in Burma, told reporters that the president takes a "dim view" of legislative efforts to force action on the project. Earnest stopped short of threatening a veto, but reiterated Obama's preference for evaluating the pipeline through a long-stalled State Department review. Obama has repeatedly ordered such reviews under pressure from environmental groups, who say the project would contribute to climate change. 

The interesting thing here is we will probably see bipartisan bills getting to Obamas desk. These guys are up for re-election and Obama is not so they will have to side with the Republicans on popular issues like the pipeline, tax reform, and even obamacare.

Now its just up to the Republicans to reach out across the aisle (which they will), find compromise (which they will), and frame the issue the best they can before bills get to the infamous veto pen. If Obama doesn't like it there is no one to blame but himself.
Lolz. The last tax reform bill brought forth by a republican from michigan was never voted on by the house. I believe Boehner said, "blah, blah, blah" when asked about it. Closing loopholes is going to close politically donated money streams from our good American citizen, the corporation. I'll believe it when I see one of these crooked bastards pass up lobbyist money for the good of the country and bi-partisanship. Both sides suck dick on that front.
Yep. All this **** is just posturing from both sides. No one in power wants anything to change.
11/13/2014 11:45 AM
I see something about ebola every day.   It hasn't gone away. 
11/13/2014 11:51 AM
Not on the rights main news site, Fox News. Been non-existent. Now it's all NPR , Al-jazeera and legit news sources actually reporting on it instead of fear mongering on it.
11/13/2014 11:54 AM
Nice report on plastic surgeons offering trial breast implants. Nothing on Ebola though.
11/13/2014 11:55 AM
Another one on what the perfect breasts look like. Nothing on Ebola though.
11/13/2014 11:56 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/13/2014 11:51:00 AM (view original):
I see something about ebola every day.   It hasn't gone away. 
I saw on CNN.com yesterday that the last Ebola patient in the US has been cured, and that the US is now Ebola free.
11/13/2014 12:13 PM
I prefer reports on perfect breasts over Ebola.     But, hey, that's just me.
11/13/2014 12:16 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 11/13/2014 12:16:00 PM (view original):
Obama determined as ever to bypass Congress.
It's a negotiating tactic.

The threat has to be credible or it's ignored. Republicans do the same thing.
11/13/2014 12:49 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/13/2014 12:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 11/13/2014 12:16:00 PM (view original):
Obama determined as ever to bypass Congress.
It's a negotiating tactic.

The threat has to be credible or it's ignored. Republicans do the same thing.
Will it still be a "negotiating tactic" after he actually does it?
11/13/2014 12:55 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 11/13/2014 12:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/13/2014 12:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 11/13/2014 12:16:00 PM (view original):
Obama determined as ever to bypass Congress.
It's a negotiating tactic.

The threat has to be credible or it's ignored. Republicans do the same thing.
Will it still be a "negotiating tactic" after he actually does it?
Maybe. Executive orders are a routine thing in just about every modern presidency, but there's nothing that says they have to be permanent.
11/13/2014 12:59 PM
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