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Our intelligence has to first determine if ISIS is a legitimate threat against the US (tec's flying planes into buildings example).  It appears, based on things the administration has said previously, that it does not.  If it does not think that (and they know better than we do), then ground troops in Iraq seems rather stupid, and would cause world backlash and American deaths.  

Continued aerial strikes seems like a reasonable option, as this keeps Americans safe (in the air, rather than on the ground), helps to protect Iraqis, and keeps ISIS from growing.

If we decide that ISIS actually is growing at a rate we didn't anticipate, and we think they are a threat to our way of life in the future, then I'm fine with ground troops, for the safety of the US.  

Also, shame on Obama for not seeing this as a realistic possibility in Iraq.  You pulled out of a new country with little understanding on how to run itself, in an area full of violence.  Of course it was a possibility that another, stronger group could potentially take control of it.  This is on him.  That said, he was doing what the majority of the American people wanted.  It's a main reason he was elected in the first place.
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Posted by tecwrg on 9/4/2014 2:07:00 PM (view original):
Reasonable steps?  Like a policeman asking to see ID?
Of people that are suspected terrorists, sure. Especially at airports.
9/4/2014 2:12 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 9/4/2014 2:07:00 PM (view original):
Reasonable steps?  Like a policeman asking to see ID?

Hold on a minute.    That's taking it just a little too far.    The right not to show identification far exceeds national security.

9/4/2014 2:15 PM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 9/4/2014 2:14:00 PM (view original):
Our intelligence has to first determine if ISIS is a legitimate threat against the US (tec's flying planes into buildings example).  It appears, based on things the administration has said previously, that it does not.  If it does not think that (and they know better than we do), then ground troops in Iraq seems rather stupid, and would cause world backlash and American deaths.  

Continued aerial strikes seems like a reasonable option, as this keeps Americans safe (in the air, rather than on the ground), helps to protect Iraqis, and keeps ISIS from growing.

If we decide that ISIS actually is growing at a rate we didn't anticipate, and we think they are a threat to our way of life in the future, then I'm fine with ground troops, for the safety of the US.  

Also, shame on Obama for not seeing this as a realistic possibility in Iraq.  You pulled out of a new country with little understanding on how to run itself, in an area full of violence.  Of course it was a possibility that another, stronger group could potentially take control of it.  This is on him.  That said, he was doing what the majority of the American people wanted.  It's a main reason he was elected in the first place.
We need intelligence on the ground.

And agreed on your final paragraph about Obama, with one exception.  I don't necessarily want my president doing what the "majority of American people" want; I want him doing what's best for the country.  Basically because I don't necessarily trust the electorate to make the best decisions.  After all, they elected this dumbass twice.

9/4/2014 2:27 PM
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Do you not think we have intelligence on the ground already?
9/4/2014 2:29 PM
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If we don't have enough intelligence, that's a different problem.  I'm making the assumption we do.

And if we DON'T have enough intelligence on the ground, sending in ground troops to attack ISIS isn't smart.  You send in ground troops WHEN you have enough intelligence and decide it's necessary.
9/4/2014 2:35 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/4/2014 12:20:00 PM (view original):
Ohhhh, the internet fallback insult.

"You're just sheep!!"

Tell me which country we have a better relationship with now, under Obama's foreign policy, than we did in 2008.
Any country in Europe, with the possible exception of the UK and Russia?
9/4/2014 2:48 PM
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And frankly, the Russia thing was inevitable and no administration was likely to make a difference there...
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Posted by bad_luck on 9/4/2014 2:29:00 PM (view original):
Do you not think we have intelligence on the ground already?
Do we have enough intelligence, and is it in the right place?
9/4/2014 2:51 PM
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Posted by dahsdebater on 9/4/2014 2:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/4/2014 12:20:00 PM (view original):
Ohhhh, the internet fallback insult.

"You're just sheep!!"

Tell me which country we have a better relationship with now, under Obama's foreign policy, than we did in 2008.
Any country in Europe, with the possible exception of the UK and Russia?
Pick one and explain to me how our relationship is better.   Same?  Sure.  Better?  None I can think of.
9/4/2014 2:52 PM
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Posted by dahsdebater on 9/4/2014 2:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/4/2014 12:20:00 PM (view original):
Ohhhh, the internet fallback insult.

"You're just sheep!!"

Tell me which country we have a better relationship with now, under Obama's foreign policy, than we did in 2008.
Any country in Europe, with the possible exception of the UK and Russia?
Or Spain France and Germany all who were appalled by us spying on them or did you forget how we breached their trust last year?
9/4/2014 2:53 PM
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Posted by dahsdebater on 9/4/2014 2:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/4/2014 12:20:00 PM (view original):
Ohhhh, the internet fallback insult.

"You're just sheep!!"

Tell me which country we have a better relationship with now, under Obama's foreign policy, than we did in 2008.
Any country in Europe, with the possible exception of the UK and Russia?
The UK has been our strongest ally over the past 100 years or so.

Do you think it was a good idea for Obama to weaken that relationship?

9/4/2014 2:53 PM
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Posted by moy23 on 9/4/2014 2:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 9/4/2014 2:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/4/2014 12:20:00 PM (view original):
Ohhhh, the internet fallback insult.

"You're just sheep!!"

Tell me which country we have a better relationship with now, under Obama's foreign policy, than we did in 2008.
Any country in Europe, with the possible exception of the UK and Russia?
Or Spain France and Germany all who were appalled by us spying on them or did you forget how we breached their trust last year?
Forget about France.  They're a  douchebag country, and they always have been.
9/4/2014 2:55 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 9/4/2014 2:51:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/4/2014 2:29:00 PM (view original):
Do you not think we have intelligence on the ground already?
Do we have enough intelligence, and is it in the right place?
Im sure we have plenty of intelligence.... Unfortunately I'm not convinced the guy that decides what to do with it is competent enough to make sound strategies from it.

Unless of course you believe the first time obama's heard about half the issues that have arisen during his term was from the network news... Just like you and I did. Then yes we have a major intelligence problem.
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Well he certainly used any intelligence gathered on Bin Laden better than his predecessors. In the last six weeks, I believe three other al-Qaeda leaders wish he was as inept in the intelligence gathering department as you seem to think.
9/4/2014 3:08 PM
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