Obama: Worst President Ever? Topic

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This has been a failed, excuse-making, finger-pointing Presidency.   There's really no other way to put it.

Nothing is the fault of the current Administration.   Everything was created by Bush or can't be resolved due to foot-dragging in Congress.
7/3/2014 11:45 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/3/2014 11:45:00 AM (view original):
This has been a failed, excuse-making, finger-pointing Presidency.   There's really no other way to put it.

Nothing is the fault of the current Administration.   Everything was created by Bush or can't be resolved due to foot-dragging in Congress.
You can possibly understand the first year or maybe two, where can can try to pass the buck on to your predecessor.

But it's been 5 1/2 ******* years already.
7/3/2014 11:52 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/3/2014 11:45:00 AM (view original):
This has been a failed, excuse-making, finger-pointing Presidency.   There's really no other way to put it.

Nothing is the fault of the current Administration.   Everything was created by Bush or can't be resolved due to foot-dragging in Congress.
I guess it depends in what, exactly, we're talking about. We were in a bad spot when he took office, both economically and overseas. Both of those things are huge problems and the fault of Bush/congress long before 2009. The President's power is also somewhat limited and, if you're going to argue that it's his job to work with Congress, he doesn't really have a chance when Congress states from day one that the goal is to not work with or help Obama at all.
7/3/2014 12:00 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 7/3/2014 11:41:00 AM (view original):
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A third of voters think Barack Obama is the worst president since World War II, according to a Quinnipiac University poll.     George W. Bush came in second, with 28 percent naming him as the worst recent president, followed by Richard Nixon with 13 percent.

http://gawker.com/breaking-if-you-conduct-a-poll-made-up-of-73-percent-w-1599205371

"BREAKING: If you conduct a poll made up of 73 percent whites, 61 percent Midwesterners and Southerners, 66 percent non-college grads, 69 percent non-Democrats and 56 percent land-line users, you can get a Politico headline proclaiming Obama the worst president since World War II"
How about the pew polls showing Americans no longer believe america is #1 and the sharp decline in that belief since 2011? Or the Gallup polls showing Americans by in large are less satisfied with their freedoms than they were 7 years ago?

Nvm... I'm sure they have no merit either.
They might. I agree that we have less freedom, just look at the Hobby Lobby decision.
What was wrong with the Hobby Lobby decision?
My problem with the Hobby Lobby decision is that it opens a whole can of worms for people to claim religious freedom when making decisions such as using discriminatory hiring practices towards homosexuals.  This is a nation where we all pay for things that we don't want to and/or need, and if corporations "are people too", they should have to live by the same rules we do. 

Wait till the first Muslim business owner goes to the Supreme Court because he doesn't want to hire Christian infidels.  Holy **** will the war on Christians talk fly.  Of course the Muslim will lose because the Court is full of ******* roman catholic, old white guys who can't keep their politics out of their decisions.
7/3/2014 12:09 PM
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Wasn't it just about providing specific forms of contraception?

I don't think that quite compares to refusing to hire people based on religion.
7/3/2014 12:16 PM
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Posted by The Taint on 7/3/2014 12:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 7/3/2014 11:41:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 7/3/2014 11:40:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 7/3/2014 10:27:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 7/2/2014 10:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2014 6:54:00 PM (view original):

A third of voters think Barack Obama is the worst president since World War II, according to a Quinnipiac University poll.     George W. Bush came in second, with 28 percent naming him as the worst recent president, followed by Richard Nixon with 13 percent.

http://gawker.com/breaking-if-you-conduct-a-poll-made-up-of-73-percent-w-1599205371

"BREAKING: If you conduct a poll made up of 73 percent whites, 61 percent Midwesterners and Southerners, 66 percent non-college grads, 69 percent non-Democrats and 56 percent land-line users, you can get a Politico headline proclaiming Obama the worst president since World War II"
How about the pew polls showing Americans no longer believe america is #1 and the sharp decline in that belief since 2011? Or the Gallup polls showing Americans by in large are less satisfied with their freedoms than they were 7 years ago?

Nvm... I'm sure they have no merit either.
They might. I agree that we have less freedom, just look at the Hobby Lobby decision.
What was wrong with the Hobby Lobby decision?
My problem with the Hobby Lobby decision is that it opens a whole can of worms for people to claim religious freedom when making decisions such as using discriminatory hiring practices towards homosexuals.  This is a nation where we all pay for things that we don't want to and/or need, and if corporations "are people too", they should have to live by the same rules we do. 

Wait till the first Muslim business owner goes to the Supreme Court because he doesn't want to hire Christian infidels.  Holy **** will the war on Christians talk fly.  Of course the Muslim will lose because the Court is full of ******* roman catholic, old white guys who can't keep their politics out of their decisions.
"Freedom" can't be selective, i.e. we'll only protect those freedoms that are popular or that you personally agree with.  Some people here may not agree with the religious right, some people here may not be religious at all, etc.  But just because you may not agree with another person's religious beliefs doesn't mean you can deny them their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to practice those beliefs.

By forcing family owned businesses to violate their own deeply held personal religious beliefs, that's exactly what you are doing.

SCOTUS did the right thing this week by upholding the U.S. Constitution.  It's refreshing to me to see them get something right for a change, because their recent track record has been pretty disappointing.
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Posted by The Taint on 7/3/2014 12:19:00 PM (view original):
For now, but they are already coming out of the woodwork.  There is now a precedent set where people can use religious beliefs for benefit packages as employers.  The envelope is going to be pushed, it already has:




The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

The letter, first reported by The Atlantic, was sent on Tuesday by 14 representatives, including the president of Gordon College, an Erie County, Pa., executive and the national faith vote director for Obama for America 2012, of the faith community.

"Without a robust religious exemption," they wrote, "this expansion of hiring rights will come at an unreasonable cost to the common good, national unity and religious freedom."

The leaders noted that the Senate-passed Employment Non-Discrimination Act included a religious exemption:

 

Our concern about an executive order without a religious exemption is about more than the direct financial impact on religious organizations. While the nation has undergone incredible social and legal change over the last decade, we still live in a nation with different beliefs about sexuality. We must find a way to respect diversity of opinion on this issue in a way that respects the dignity of all parties to the best of our ability. There is no perfect solution that will make all parties completely happy.

 

The White House announced in June that Obama would issue an executive order forbidding contractors that receive federal funding from discriminating based on sexual orientation or gender equality after the House had stymied ENDA. The White House declined to comment to The Atlantic on the Tuesday letter and did not immediately respond to TPM's request for comment.

The letter didn't mention the Hobby Lobby decision directly. But one of the signees, Michael Wear, the Obama 2012 veteran, told The Atlantic that the court decision meant the administration would need to address such concerns.

"The administration does have a decision to make whether they want to recalibrate their approach to some of these issues," he said.

Dictatorship by executive order.

Awesome.
7/3/2014 12:26 PM
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Posted by The Taint on 7/3/2014 12:23:00 PM (view original):
SCOTUS didn't come close to getting this right.
Explain.
7/3/2014 12:26 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 7/3/2014 11:41:00 AM (view original):
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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/2/2014 6:54:00 PM (view original):

A third of voters think Barack Obama is the worst president since World War II, according to a Quinnipiac University poll.     George W. Bush came in second, with 28 percent naming him as the worst recent president, followed by Richard Nixon with 13 percent.

http://gawker.com/breaking-if-you-conduct-a-poll-made-up-of-73-percent-w-1599205371

"BREAKING: If you conduct a poll made up of 73 percent whites, 61 percent Midwesterners and Southerners, 66 percent non-college grads, 69 percent non-Democrats and 56 percent land-line users, you can get a Politico headline proclaiming Obama the worst president since World War II"
How about the pew polls showing Americans no longer believe america is #1 and the sharp decline in that belief since 2011? Or the Gallup polls showing Americans by in large are less satisfied with their freedoms than they were 7 years ago?

Nvm... I'm sure they have no merit either.
They might. I agree that we have less freedom, just look at the Hobby Lobby decision.
What was wrong with the Hobby Lobby decision?
In my opinion, plenty.

Even if we accept the premise that a corporation is a person, the entire point of forming a corporation is to create legal separation of the shareholders from the entity. The entity doesn't have religion because the entity is a fictional "person."

Beyond that, even if we accept that the entity could have religious rights, I don't think those rights are violated by someone else taking a prescription. The company has no more right to dictate how employees use benefits than it does to dictate how employees use their salaries.

In my opinion, the employees are the one's whose rights are infringed upon when their employer decides what prescription can and cannot be covered by health insurance.
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