Posted by tecwrg on 1/22/2013 10:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2013 10:32:00 AM (view original):
So, one crazy dictates policy in America?   Yeah, that makes sense.

SECURE......THE.....*******......SCHOOLS.

Unless, of course, that's just too much cost/trouble.

Yeah.  I'm sure Adam Lanza is the only person in the history of the world who has ever decided to carry out a violent crime with the weapons he had readily available to him.  What a ******* brilliant analysis that is.  You should join the FBI with that kind of thoughtful insight.

And in case you haven't noticed, mass shootings don't just happen in schools.  They happen in movies theaters, malls, etc.  Let's secure everything with bulletproof glass and armor.

And while we're at it, lets take it a step further.  Everybody should wear a ******* Kevlar body suit if they head out to the local convenience store to buy a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk.

1 shotgun, two 9m, a bookbag full of ammo.

WHAT.....THE.....****....DO.....WE.....BAN.....WHEN....SOMEONE.....USES.....THESE....TO....KILL.....A ......GROUP.....OF.....PEOPLE.....AT.....THE....MALL?

Seems you are as stupid as the rest of the left.  

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2013 11:45:00 AM (view original):
My question has always been "What problem do you hope to resolve?"  

Banning and collecting HCAW doesn't solve the problem you seem to be presenting.    It just makes you all warm and fuzzy because you "did something".

Address the problem.    You know, by making people register all firearms, because even the little ones can kill people, and increase prison terms for possession of an unregistered firearms.    Then secure the ******* schools with something more than a sign that says "No trespassing" and a door that can be kicked in by a 120 lb crazy person.

Posted by bheid408 on 1/22/2013 12:11:00 PM (view original):
I have the answer.
Let's all in-home school our kids, no need to go to school. Let's all get NetFlix and watch movies at home, no need to go to a movie theater. Let's all order our shopping needs on-line and have them delivered right to our home, no need to go to the mall. Then let's install bulletproof glass in our homes, full solid metal doors with 6 locks on each one. Let's put up a trip wire around the perimeter of our property and attach it to landmines. Let's have the local authorities inform the public immediately and continuously for 6 months on the release of any prison or insane assylum inmate. Let's become prisoners in our own homes and be safe.


Maybe it's time to start eliminating the violence kids see on TV and in video games. Our entertainment industry is gluttoned with it. How many people get abducted, raped, murdered on an average night on TV? None of that stuff needs to be seen by kids and I can guarantee that there are millions of adults that let their kids watch. In the mean time if we are going to allow guns into our schools for protection let's also allow God back into our schools. Guns alone won't do it.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/22/2013 12:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2013 11:45:00 AM (view original):
My question has always been "What problem do you hope to resolve?"  

Banning and collecting HCAW doesn't solve the problem you seem to be presenting.    It just makes you all warm and fuzzy because you "did something".

Address the problem.    You know, by making people register all firearms, because even the little ones can kill people, and increase prison terms for possession of an unregistered firearms.    Then secure the ******* schools with something more than a sign that says "No trespassing" and a door that can be kicked in by a 120 lb crazy person.

You keep focusing on the schools. Like tec said, mass shootings happen at all kinds of different places.

HCAW are very good at what they are designed to do--kill people. They are more effective than handguns in a mass shooting situation. Make HCAW illegal and therefore harder to get and we make an incremental improvement to public safety.

It doesn't solve all problems. It doesn't stop all shootings. But it is an improvement.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2013 12:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/22/2013 12:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2013 11:45:00 AM (view original):
My question has always been "What problem do you hope to resolve?"  

Banning and collecting HCAW doesn't solve the problem you seem to be presenting.    It just makes you all warm and fuzzy because you "did something".

Address the problem.    You know, by making people register all firearms, because even the little ones can kill people, and increase prison terms for possession of an unregistered firearms.    Then secure the ******* schools with something more than a sign that says "No trespassing" and a door that can be kicked in by a 120 lb crazy person.

You keep focusing on the schools. Like tec said, mass shootings happen at all kinds of different places.

HCAW are very good at what they are designed to do--kill people. They are more effective than handguns in a mass shooting situation. Make HCAW illegal and therefore harder to get and we make an incremental improvement to public safety.

It doesn't solve all problems. It doesn't stop all shootings. But it is an improvement.

I submit that it doesn't solve any problems.

It just makes some people feel good because they "did something".

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/22/2013 12:34:00 PM (view original):
"Then secure the ******* schools with something more than a sign that says "No trespassing" and a door that can be kicked in by a 120 lb crazy person."

Schools are secured by locks, armed security guards, and other control devices.   I don't understand why you think they aren't.  When was the last time you went to a school?

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/22/2013 1:43:00 PM (view original):
They have a system in place.   You need to be buzzed in.  Two adults tried to stop him from going into the school.  The school obviously went into lockdown mode.  

What more do you want?   A steel door?   I don't see why he can't force someone with a key to open it.

TSA type of security at the 98,000 public schools in America?  That seems unreasonable.

Bullet proof glass on all 1st floor windows in the 98,000 public schools?

From the beginning, my point has always been that schools have reasonable security measures in place.
I think it is time to place reasonable restrictions on fire arms.

Owning an M16 so you can walk your dog in a swamp isn't a good enough reason in my opinion.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/22/2013 2:18:00 PM (view original):
It's beside the point. The goal is not to prevent school shootings. The goal is to improve public safety in all settings. 

I think we all agree that a police state/TSA screened life would be horrible. It's a much bigger infringement on our freedom to have to deal with that type of security than to outlaw certain types of weapons.

I was in Nairobi last spring and going anywhere in that city sucks. For example, the grocery store near airport is inside a mall. To get into the parking lot we had to stop at a gate manned by armed guards. You stop and one guard asks where you are going and makes you open the trunk, while another guard uses a mirror to look under your car for explosives and inspects your now open trunk. Then you walk through a security checkpoint to get into the mall, they wand you with metal detectors and look through any purses or bags you have. After you get through that check, you go through an identical one to get into the grocery store inside the mall. And even with all that security, Nairobi is still a dangerous ******* place.

There is no magic bullet. As tec said, waiting for a comprehensive solution will result in nothing getting done. The best we can hope for is an incremental improvement in public safety.