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Mitt Romney is the Republican John Kerry.  He's willing to waffle on any issue to appeal to the most voters he can, and the primary plank in his platform is "I'm not the guy who's been there for the last 4 years.  He sucks."

You'd think the Republicans would have learned a little better from 2004 - no matter how unpopular a sitting president might be, and they usually are by the time they've been in office for 4 years - it's not so easy to unseat them without some clear, strong directions.  Romney has been vague about all of his plans, and most of his advertising seems to be anti-Obama.  Everyone will always run attack ads in a presidential election, but you need some balance.

Seriously, the Romney campaign is like a perfect mirror image of the Kerry campaign.  The big difference is that Ryan is an unassuming kind of guy with bad ideas, whereas Edwards was a pompous douchebag.
10/22/2012 10:01 PM
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So he's using Obama's 2008 campaign strategy?  Worked for him, right?

10/23/2012 9:17 AM
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I'm pretty sure there wasn't an incumbent running in 2008.
10/23/2012 10:16 AM
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What does it say about Obama's campaign strategy, which has evolved from "hope and change" in 2008 to "paranoia and fear" in 2012?
10/23/2012 10:45 AM
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You don't think the GOP is running on paranoia and fear?    I mean we gotta socialist Kenyan in the white house who wants to take away guns and liberty and apologies to the rest of the world for our exceptionalism!
10/23/2012 11:24 AM
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"Iran is 4 years closer to a nuclear weapon"

Nope.  No paranoia and fear.
10/23/2012 11:28 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 10/23/2012 10:45:00 AM (view original):
What does it say about Obama's campaign strategy, which has evolved from "hope and change" in 2008 to "paranoia and fear" in 2012?
"Hello, Kettle? Yeah, hi, it's Pot. You're black."


10/23/2012 11:31 AM
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There is a difference between the normal flack a President gets after he is in office and he fails on some plans and some things go wrong and a President being a genuine failure.

10/23/2012 11:40 AM
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So what's the objective source to say that Obama is a genuine failure? 

Foreign Policy?  Romney seems to agree with everything he's done.
Economy?  How do we know that we shouldn't be in a depression right now, if not for Obama's policies?
10/23/2012 11:45 AM
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Posted by jvford on 10/23/2012 11:45:00 AM (view original):
So what's the objective source to say that Obama is a genuine failure? 

Foreign Policy?  Romney seems to agree with everything he's done.
Economy?  How do we know that we shouldn't be in a depression right now, if not for Obama's policies?
"How do we know that we shouldn't be in a depression right now, if not for Obama's policies?"

That might be the dumbest post I've read in these forums in, like, forever.
10/23/2012 11:57 AM
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Posted by The Taint on 10/23/2012 11:24:00 AM (view original):
You don't think the GOP is running on paranoia and fear?    I mean we gotta socialist Kenyan in the white house who wants to take away guns and liberty and apologies to the rest of the world for our exceptionalism!

"I mean we gotta socialist Kenyan in the white house who wants to take away guns and liberty and apologies to the rest of the world for our exceptionalism!"

When has the Romney campaign referred to Obama as a "socialist Kenyan"?

10/23/2012 11:59 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 10/23/2012 11:57:00 AM (view original):
Posted by jvford on 10/23/2012 11:45:00 AM (view original):
So what's the objective source to say that Obama is a genuine failure? 

Foreign Policy?  Romney seems to agree with everything he's done.
Economy?  How do we know that we shouldn't be in a depression right now, if not for Obama's policies?
"How do we know that we shouldn't be in a depression right now, if not for Obama's policies?"

That might be the dumbest post I've read in these forums in, like, forever.
I'm guessing by "dumb" you mean you don't know how to answer the question.

Because it's pretty obvious that one side of the aisle is claiming that and the other side is claiming that his policies have failed.  How about an objective source to back up your obviously limited view?
10/23/2012 12:10 PM
tecwrg
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How does one prove or disprove what might have happened?

Let me make a similar statement: if John McCain was elected in 2008, our $16t deficit would be a $16t surplus, and we'd all be shitting golden eggs.

Feel free to disprove if you don't agree.  Show your work.
10/23/2012 12:21 PM (edited)
bad_luck
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Without getting too hyperbolic, it's pretty clear that we are better off now than we were four years ago. That's the Reagan standard right?
10/23/2012 12:26 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 10/23/2012 12:21:00 PM (view original):
How does one prove or disprove what might have happened?

Let me make a similar statement: if John McCain was elected in 2008, our $16t deficit would be a $16t surplus, and we'd all be shitting golden eggs.

Feel free to disprove if you don't agree.  Show your work.
You're claiming you KNOW that Obama's policies are a failure.  I'm merely stating that I believe we don't know for sure.

Burden of proof is on you.  Have at it.
10/23/2012 12:28 PM
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