Franchise Prog With Farm System, 1977, FULL Topic

If this kind of progressive is out there already, someone please point me to it. Otherwise, I'll start the league if there are enough interested owners.

Concept: Start with 24 20 of the real franchises and their 1977 rosters. In subsequent seasons, each franchise gets the rookies who really came up with that team. For example, Oakland gets Dwayne Murphy and others in 1978, Rickey Henderson and others in 1979, etc, eventually getting McGwire and Canseco... The rookies are assigned based on their first team during their first WIS-eligible season. This is a WIS version of mimicking the real-life farm systems for each franchise.

Contraction Draft and Rookie Drafts: For the two six franchises that are not claimed in 1977, their players are all eligible for an initial draft - sort of a "contraction draft" compared to the real-life 1977. In subsequent seasons, their rookies are draft eligible. So for example if no one selects the Detroit Tigers franchise, then Lou Whitaker, Alan Trammell, and Lance Parrish will all be draft-eligible in 1978. The contraction draft will go in reverse order of the franchises' real-life 1977 winning percentages, or maybe a composite 1977-1981 winning percentage - that can be discussed after we get enough owners signed up.

Obviously the rookie draft will never be very deep, since the rookies will only come from two six franchises until the expansions of 1993 and beyond. Rookie draft order will be set by your franchise's sim winning percentage compared to its real-life winning percentage. If your team over-performs compared to real-life, it gets rewarded with better draft position. This should discourage tanking.

Keepers / Waivers: I'm thinking let everyone keep up to 35 25 players, using real players for AAA. The catch is that any player who is not on injured reserve (missing from the WIS database for that season) has to appear in at least 5 of your games, or he will be waived and put into the draft pool. So if a good prospect has a lousy season, you can't just park him in AAA the entire season… he has to at least make a few appearances. But it is up to individual owners to police this - if it is your turn to draft and you see that Cincinnati didn't let that crappy young 1970's Mario Soto into 5 or more games, go ahead and draft him! You get rewarded for doing your homework and finding a steal. Edit: The 25 keeper limit includes rookies for the following season. If you are too late posting keepers, they will be assigned based on your player usage in the previous season, so we can get on with the draft.

Since there are not many quality players to choose from in each year's draft, the off-season should move very quickly… if you miss your time slot for the draft, we'll move on to the next owner, and you probably won't be missing out on a player who is worth complaining about anyway. The idea for this league came partly from frustration waiting for a normal progressive to move from season to season, and partly from realizing that sometimes life just gets in the way of doing these drafts.

Extra Pitching: One quirk I would like to include, but other owners can vote this down if it is too unpopular… each team will get one additional pitcher per season, randomly drawn from a pool of moderate-quality pre-1960 pitchers with around 100 IP and around $2.5-3.0 M salaries. The purpose is to bolster the balance of pitching versus offense, since all progressives I've been in have had ridiculous offensive stats. This gives every team one more competent pitcher for the bullpen, or a spot starter, but not someone you would build a team around.

Hall of Fame: If enough owners are interested, we'll cast Hall of Fame ballots for players whose WIS careers have recently ended. I'll try to post career stats for candidates, merging pre-1977 real-life with the progressive's stats. But anyone can nominate a player.

Miscellaneous (mostly from questions posted below, or settings in theme league wizard; most of these details can be voted down if enough owners object):
- Standard WIS format (three 4-team divisions per league, with wildcard and interleague play) Four 5-team divisions, aligned similar to real life as much as possible.
- No salary cap
- No moving teams / ballparks until after 5 seasons (1981). After that, you can use your 1st round rookie draft pick to move to an available ballpark. But that only changes your ballpark, not your franchise name and available rookies. For example, if no one takes the NY Yankees when the league gets started, then someone can eventually move their franchise to Yankee Stadium. The Boston Red Sox could become the New York Red Sox (imagine that!), with Boggs, Clemens, etc coming up in the farm system. A team that has moved cannot move again for at least 5 seasons.
- DH in AL only
- Trades are mostly unrestricted, but subject to veto by 6 owners. Limit on trading draft picks or rookies too far out in the future (see my posts below).
- Transaction Deadline / Deadline for Keepers at 120 game mark.
- No injuries (I'm open to suggestions on that - I've never seen them used in WIS)

- For players who missed 1977 in WIS, but were not rookies when they returned later, they go into the rookie draft pool when they return. They do not belong to a team first.


If you're interested, post here and/or site mail me. I won't choose a franchise for myself until the league is at least half full.


1/27/2017 8:19 PM (edited)
I'll start things off by taking the Dodgers
8/11/2015 7:22 AM
One question, I see that rookies go to the first team they played for. What about veterans in this first season? For example, Tom Seaver started with the Mets in '77 then went to the Reds later that season. Would he automatically be a Met in this league?
8/11/2015 7:25 AM
Posted by coled on 8/11/2015 7:25:00 AM (view original):
One question, I see that rookies go to the first team they played for. What about veterans in this first season? For example, Tom Seaver started with the Mets in '77 then went to the Reds later that season. Would he automatically be a Met in this league?
Great question, and you have the right answer.  Players who had multiple teams in 1977 would belong to whoever they played for first that season in real life.
8/11/2015 8:35 AM
Are there any restrictions on trades?
8/12/2015 5:44 PM
Posted by crazyjoe02 on 8/12/2015 5:44:00 PM (view original):
Are there any restrictions on trades?
1979 draft picks and rookies can't be traded until after the 1977 season's transaction deadline, and so on for later years. Three Six owners can veto a trade for any reason they want. Any other suggestions on trade restrictions? This kind of thing can be voted on when we have a critical mass of owners.
8/13/2015 7:03 PM (edited)
Posted by dannyjoe on 8/12/2015 7:17:00 PM (view original):
Posted by crazyjoe02 on 8/12/2015 5:44:00 PM (view original):
Are there any restrictions on trades?
1979 draft picks and rookies can't be traded until after the 1977 season's transaction deadline, and so on for later years. Three owners can veto a trade for any reason they want. Any other suggestions on trade restrictions? This kind of thing can be voted on when we have a critical mass of owners.
I'm confused. What does this mean? Why would I trade 1979 rookies in 1977?
8/13/2015 11:05 AM
Let's say you've got the Oakland A's, to use an example. That gives you the rights to Rickey Henderson (rookie season in 1979), Mark McGwire, etc. You could eventually use them as trade bait, offering Rickey for someone who would help your team in 1978. But you couldn't include McGwire in a deal until closer to his 1986 rookie season.
8/13/2015 2:27 PM
That makes sense. What about DH? AL only?
8/13/2015 3:01 PM
Posted by coled on 8/13/2015 3:01:00 PM (view original):
That makes sense. What about DH? AL only?
Yes, DH in AL only.  I don't like DH, but having it in AL is consistent with the theme concept.  
Correction to my earlier answer on trade restrictions, it takes six votes to veto.
Standard WIS 6-division, 24 team format. I'd rather have 6-team divisions with no wildcard, but experience tells me that would make it tough to find owners.
8/13/2015 7:02 PM
Detroit Tigers
8/14/2015 6:06 PM
So are there any limitations on who you can trade players to? For instance in your example of Ricky Henderson can I trade him to any team I want?
8/14/2015 9:36 PM
Posted by crazyjoe02 on 8/14/2015 9:37:00 PM (view original):
So are there any limitations on who you can trade players to? For instance in your example of Ricky Henderson can I trade him to any team I want?
No limitations like that.  I hope there will be a fair number of big trades (without having overly lopsided ones).  
8/14/2015 11:11 PM (edited)
Interested.

Expos, if this thing gets off the ground.
8/17/2015 11:17 AM
1. Seattle Mariners - dannyjoe 
2. Los Angeles Dodgers - coled
3. Detroit Tigers - eman7400
4. Montreal Expos - nockahoma
5. St. Louis Cardinals - Dn3524
6. New York Mets - ljemd
7. Minnesota Twins - cardsfan
8. Pittsburgh Pirates - cccp1014
9. New York Yankees - yatagon danidon 
9. Oakland Athletics - blacknmild76
10. Chicago White Sox - coachgreat1
11. Kansas City Royals - blues322   open
11. Boston Red Sox - edsortails
12. Cincinnati Reds - crazyjoe02 tedcogswell
13. Baltimore Orioles - coled
14. Philadelphia Phillies - yatagon cardsfan mlent
15. Atlanta Braves - dannyjoe
17. Toronto Blue Jays - mlent
16. Chicago Cubs - 20ks
17. Kansas City Royals - MVG99
18. California Angels - topkat
19. Texas Rangers - danidon
20. Houston Astros - dbrom

Available Teams: 
San Francisco Giants, San Diego Padres, Cleveland Indians, Milwaukee Brewers, Toronto Blue Jays, New York Yankees

Current Alignment, subject to change. Owners in bold have re-confirmed they are in. Waiting to hear from the others:
NL East: Montreal Expos (nockahoma), St. Louis Cardinals (Dn3524), NY Mets (ljemd), Pittsburgh Pirates (cccp1014), Philadelphia Phillies (mlent)
NL West: LA Dodgers (coled), Cincinnati Reds (tedcogswell), Chicago Cubs (20ks), Atlanta Braves (dannyjoe), Houston Astros (dbrom
AL East: Detroit Tigers (eman7400), Boston Red Sox (edsortails), Baltimore Orioles (coled), Minnesota Twins (cardsfan), Chicago White Sox (coachgreat1)
AL West: Seattle Mariners (dannyjoe), Oakland A's (blacknmild76), California Angels (topkat), Kansas City Royals (MVG99), Texas Rangers (danidon)
10/26/2015 10:21 PM (edited)
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