I'm done ranting for a while. I'd like someone else to do the talking.

I've pretty much got my mind set who I think it is... at least one of them for sure.  And the only way I'm going to be convinced otherwise is if they convince me.  So I will wait for that.

There are 3 people who've made curious moves, IMHO:

1)  iamthe2 voting to lynch me when he thought I was safe
2) babcick for changing his vote to nyaggie after aggie said he was the doctor
3) arfy voting for nyaggie as pola just mentioned above

To me, that makes a 2/3 chance we lynch a mafia scum.  I like those odds.

Actually, if you look back....I was one of the first people to ask to be investigated.  And then everyone else followed suit.  By the time we got near the end....if you weren't asking, then you looked guilty.

Mudda, I don't quite understand how it looks guilty to me.  My butts  on the line and I KNOW I'm a townie.  So I HAVE to vote for Nyaggie.

Posted by muddapucka on 7/18/2012 11:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by polabonez on 7/18/2012 10:30:00 AM (view original):
What I know:

Everyone voted the doctor dead except for me and iamthetwo.

Don't get me wrong, after I voted for arfy I was just as confident as everyone else that aggie was hiding something.  Then, as me and mudda discussed, I just thought he was a terrible doctor.

Before csudak got drowned by his pony, he had told me in sitemail he thought we were making a mistake.  He wanted to change the vote for ffbplayergod, arfy, or babcick so we wouldn't lynch the doctor by mistake.  I told him I was ok with this strategy.  I had already voted for arfy, so I just left it as it was and no one else switched their vote, and then HE votes for aggie too, so I don't know wtf happened there... other than the fact I felt pretty confident aggie was going to come back as mafia as well.

I have an honest argument why I don't think any of you are mafia.  but 2 of you are.. so all of that is now out the window. 

I have a couple of questions I would like to ask out here in the open:

Mudda:  "  It's clear from nyaggie's lynching who at least one of them is".  I'd like to you to elaborate on this.  After looking back at the lynching, I don't see anything that's clear....maybe the fact that babcick looks ridiculously suspicious... but I am wondering if you are thinking the same thing as me.

iamthetwo:  "Why were you here, posting in the thread the whole time, but never actually TALKING about the vote yesterday.  And why wait to vote. And then when you do vote, you vote for mudda?  Whether or not you think mudda is mafia, why just throw that vote out there when you KNOW it means absolutely nothing?    I was pretty sure after you did that that aggie would come back as mafia, and you were the other one (who refused to vote for him), but now that the truth is out there I cant figure out why in the hell you would do it?  It makes no sense.

After the game is over, I'll let you know why I'm asking for sitemails.

To elaborate:  Once it was clear that nyaggie was the doctor with his “I can say I'm not in the mafia but my hands do have a healing power” post on page 8, babcick changed his lynch vote to nyaggie on page 9 at 12:16pm. I think babcick is mafia.  Why else would he change his vote?  I asked him to answer that question, but he did not.  He is hiding something.

Iamthe2:  I agree with pola that your post about wanting to lynch me as a townie makes no sense. 

Now for pola:  he says pretty much everyone knew casey was the cop.  Either he is assuming that, or his sitemails to other players convinced him that they also knew.  I'd like arfy, ffb, babcick, and iamthe2 to come forward and prove what pola says is true.  If pola didn't tell anyone else, it makes him look shady.  Also, at the start of this game, pola let me know that Casey told him that he was not a townie.  With the vigilante and doctor out of the way, pola knew csudak had to be the cop.
This is me assuming that pola is mafia.  Not sure, but us townies are grasping at straws.  No one should be above suspicion.

ffb:  voted to lynch aggie.

arfy:  who knows what's up with that guy?

I most certainly answered your post.and you didn't ask why I changed my post you asked my thoughts on why Aggie would claim doctor so early.
I think you strongly enforced my suspicion of Aggie so we would get rid of the Doctor.You (MUDDA) knew he was the Doc and saw a voice to help you lynch
him.
I way f#@ked up on that one.But I could not conceive that the doctor would come out so early if at all in the forum.

Yeah, what the heck was Nyaggie thinking?

Posted by muddapucka on 7/17/2012 1:02:00 PM (view original):
But why would you admit to being the doctor so soon and putting a target on your back? 

That now makes me think that babcick is mafia.  Why else would he change his vote to nyaggie?

Babcick, any reply to this? 

I'm now thinking of changing my vote.

Babcick, from page 9.

As you can see, I'm asking why you changed your vote.  At least that's what I meant.

I can't imagine playing this game in real life.  This is crazy enough.

Posted by Arfy on 7/18/2012 11:48:00 AM (view original):
Actually, if you look back....I was one of the first people to ask to be investigated.  And then everyone else followed suit.  By the time we got near the end....if you weren't asking, then you looked guilty.

You are correct Arfy you were one of the first to ask but you forget who WAS THE FIRST!  ME!!
Kill me and the game is over.I made a reasonable argument that backfired like a MOFO and 
for that I regret,but the fact remains I am a Townie.
Gotta recruit a little but I'LL BE BOCK.

One other thing I just thought about.

There are 6 of us left.   If the vote today ends in a 3-3 tie, no one gets lynched.   Then the mafia kills someone making it 2 mafia, 3 townsfolk. 

That will take our odds down to a 2/5 chance to be right, instead of a 2/6. I don't even care if I'm the one to be killed, the way I see it it takes one person out of the equation.

Is my math right on this? I'm not saying we should do it, I'm just saying it is an idea. Of course in order to do it we would have to do a "all votes are final type situation" and have to pick an order that we trust it not to be get screwed up, because obviously if the mafia man picks last, that's all she wrote.

I'm really reaching there.. scratch that plan...

too much can go wrong after I think about it.

It could work.  I won't be last to vote.  Pola, will you do the same since it's your idea?

What's the worry?  We townies screw up again?  We're pretty much effed anyway.  IT just means the game would be over a day early.

Posted by Arfy on 7/18/2012 11:49:00 AM (view original):
Mudda, I don't quite understand how it looks guilty to me.  My butts  on the line and I KNOW I'm a townie.  So I HAVE to vote for Nyaggie.

Not guilty, curious.  You could've voted for anyone else.  At that point, it would've been 2 for aggie, 2 for you, and 1 for someone else.

You could've convinced someone to switch their votes, you could've waited to vote, etc.  All I said was that it was a curious move to me.

Okay...I can live with curious.

Mudda, would you want the vote that close if you were one of the people they were voting on?  Especially, if you didn't have much time to convicnce everyone else to switch?

I'll answer that for you.....no you wouldn't.  You would want to make sure your own *** is safe, since it would do the town no good to kill a townie!