ike, care to post your teams year end ratings? i have a couple of teams that i would like to compare around. 

Sure thing, I'll do it when I get home tonight.

Posted by ike1024 on 1/10/2012 11:22:00 AM (view original):
Sure thing, I'll do it when I get home tonight.

I have a feeling that Palm Beach Atlantic in Phelan and my old D3 team in Rupp could give you a run for your money. 

I have no doubt.  I don't really agree with the above comments about my team.  Any team with a ton of guard speed could have given me problems, although I did win every NT game by double digits.  It would have been really interesting to play kb's team, which had a ton of speed.

Name	Yr.	Pos.	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	TOT
Michael Simmon	Sr.	PG	54	72	4	56	4	20	46	69	75	67	95	53	C+	615
Steven Arvizu	Sr.	SG	49	72	1	31	3	18	99	68	64	85	93	31	B	614
James Stookey	Sr.	SG	54	66	36	62	23	47	84	78	65	52	73	58	C	698
Lloyd Brown	Jr.	SG	78	65	10	87	5	43	86	64	55	76	82	34	B-	685
Freddie Lyles	Jr.	SG	74	79	31	92	14	11	89	80	36	75	84	66	B-	731
Scott Cadet	So.	SG	96	54	1	91	2	36	45	29	13	52	74	73	B	566
Shawn Paul	So.	SG	59	50	5	61	2	30	68	47	33	26	65	56	B-	502
Gregory Alkire	Jr.	PF	55	37	83	51	70	85	44	19	39	93	87	51	B	714
Don Noah	Fr.	PF	58	13	51	41	43	85	8	6	32	44	64	47	D+	492
Kenny Allain	Jr.	C	43	30	64	61	65	44	43	18	25	74	82	80	D+	629
Paul Leone	So.	C	49	18	84	53	67	52	15	5	17	35	66	79	D+	540
Michael Fields	Fr.	C	59	16	83	56	53	47	1	12	25	46	73	63	D+	534
Averages	-	-	61	48	38	62	29	43	52	41	40	60	78	58	C+	610

The depth chart that ran through the NT looked like this:

PG: Simmon/Stookey
SG: Lyles/Arvizu
SF: Brown/Cadet
PF: Fields/Allain
C: Alkire/Leone

Allain would start against the press sometimes.  The one thing that I had going was a ton of depth, and a lot of guard scoring coming off the bench, which made me tough to defend for 40 minutes.  Obviously ath/def/per was my strength.

I might have a grain of sympathy with Ike's comment IF the three guard at the top of that chart were underclassmen.  But given their very solid speed and athleticism, their high IQs (I'm assuming they were all A+), and their excellent ball skills, those guys (and the two juniors that are even better players) make for a deadly, deadly backcourt.  "Giving problems" to that team means keeping the game within single digits if lucky.

Unsympathetic bastard!  Fine, I suppose IQ and stam were also a strength last season.  I still think a backcourt full of speedy upperclassmen could have led to some foul trouble.  

Posted by ike1024 on 1/10/2012 11:15:00 PM (view original):
Unsympathetic bastard!  Fine, I suppose IQ and stam were also a strength last season.  I still think a backcourt full of speedy upperclassmen could have led to some foul trouble.  

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Beloit have a backcourt full of speedy guards? And Brandeis as well? I think I remember you using the above line at least twice during your dominating NT run, yet you consistently obliterated your opponents.

Time to cut the humility, and admit you had a freakin awesome team last year, ike.

This is Palm Beach Atlantic in Phelan, I remember they were stronger 4 seasons ago:

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=14734

In terms of ratings, most impressive I have ever seen in the past 20 or so seasons across all my worlds was Chapman in Naismith,  last season. It wasn't my team so I didn't keep a log, but it started the season with 10 upperclassmen, and a rating between 610-620. Ended the season at almost 645 or so, sporting a cool 60+ in ath/spd. Unfortunately, the team fell in F4 when it went cold in the final 6 minutes. 

Ripon, Rupp, back in season #51:

Name	Yr.	Pos.	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	TOT
Charles Barratt	Sr.	PG	42	79	5	45	7	4	84	91	75	72	85	66	B+	655
Gerald McNeal	Sr.	SG	43	77	16	59	3	11	64	78	63	78	88	51	B+	631
Kenneth Weddington	Sr.	SG	44	82	40	53	6	8	99	70	69	70	74	99	B+	714
Raymond Krawitz	Sr.	PF	53	37	89	61	66	58	1	3	32	85	83	63	C+	631
Roy Grogan	Jr.	PF	55	46	59	64	44	48	62	41	36	50	72	23	C	600
Victor Hursey	Jr.	PF	51	49	91	55	69	45	32	25	37	69	76	66	B	665
Manuel Cruce	Jr.	SF	78	52	48	83	38	70	19	66	25	70	73	48	B	670
Troy Golightly	So.	PG	52	70	2	57	2	13	41	51	62	41	82	63	B-	536
Peter Furr	So.	SG	53	58	5	60	4	25	68	53	35	33	77	74	B	545
Harold Holleran	So.	PF	39	42	81	42	66	56	1	42	24	56	62	73	C	584
Edward Dickey	Fr.	SF	64	30	47	67	48	25	17	11	13	52	73	73	C	520
Ricky Blair	Fr.	PG	58	75	1	53	3	1	41	59	53	36	75	43	B+	498
Averages	-	-	53	58	40	58	30	30	44	49	44	59	77	62	-	604

Ripon looks like the weakest in terms of ratings, but the stats were insane. Margin of victory was 26ppg, shot .510 from the field, .474 from 3s, opp shot .390, .296 from 3s. Also a commanding +10 deferential in reb and only turning it over 11.9x per game. Ended up 35-0 for the season and my only NC team to go undefeated


Drew, Tark, Season 61:

Name	Yr.	Pos.	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	TOT
Jerry Shannon	Sr.	PG	54	84	14	57	8	1	70	65	54	49	88	59	C+	603
William Swanson	Sr.	C	68	39	78	66	93	36	3	36	37	69	72	56	B-	653
Bryan Tartt	Sr.	PF	58	26	83	44	40	98	33	11	42	90	77	100	C+	702
Jim Nadler	Sr.	PF	70	52	77	86	48	76	2	12	21	69	90	55	C+	658
Gilbert Thompson	Sr.	SG	86	69	5	81	7	18	56	40	60	63	94	29	B-	608
Ronnie Haynes	Jr.	PF	56	25	91	44	90	82	18	32	27	59	84	79	C	687
John Park	Jr.	PG	82	87	13	62	8	61	45	51	75	67	92	83	B-	726
James Spears	So.	PG	40	92	1	45	4	1	60	72	66	65	91	87	B-	624
Jonathan Smith	So.	C	45	25	85	42	68	28	2	2	16	32	67	75	C-	487
Curtis Smith	Fr.	PG	48	77	7	38	2	13	52	60	51	55	81	56	B-	540
Robert Ripley	Fr.	PG	47	56	12	37	14	12	69	53	33	24	75	29	C	461
Christopher Davis	Fr.	SG	31	67	22	33	20	34	41	53	27	72	75	45	B-	520
Averages	-	-	57	58	41	53	34	38	38	41	42	60	82	63	-	606

I think Drew has a pretty major advantage in terms of matchup, among the 3 teams I mentioned so far and Hamline, with the Park/Thompson/Shannon Backcourt, having superior ath and huge advantage in speed. Nadler and Swanson also brings huge ath/spd in the 4/5 and with 82 stamina and team depth, fatigue was never a problem. I ran uptempo and every game, the opponent was more fatigued than my fcp team NT championship game was a 25 point blowout win. 

One more team in this race: Menlo, Naismith, Season 54
 

Name	Yr.	Pos.	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	TOT
James Bowers	Sr.	PG	68	83	18	66	20	17	27	56	67	69	89	55	B	635
Michael Choquette	Sr.	PG	55	90	2	42	7	52	76	82	53	56	90	68	B-	673
Gary Hill	Jr.	PG	82	94	8	78	3	2	38	54	49	83	93	42	B-	626
Bernard Raleigh	Jr.	PG	50	84	2	37	4	43	75	72	52	57	91	63	B	630
Kenneth Grand	So.	PG	45	81	26	43	13	7	59	78	72	42	86	38	C+	590
Stuart Reynolds	Fr.	PG	44	69	9	34	11	25	57	38	36	35	79	15	C-	452
Nicholas Credle	Jr.	SG	77	64	12	67	20	52	40	34	53	68	86	66	B-	639
Adam Steele	Sr.	PF	48	57	57	44	50	70	11	51	36	70	90	72	B-	656
William Street	Sr.	PF	98	26	63	92	45	42	23	5	31	49	75	69	B-	618
David Brooks	Fr.	PF	42	14	62	45	48	29	17	21	18	47	65	71	C	479
Robert Schweiner	Sr.	C	49	37	92	58	72	56	16	17	12	61	79	46	C	595
Loren Goodson	Fr.	C	46	21	68	43	60	41	14	24	17	71	86	66	C	557
Averages	-	-	59	60	35	54	29	36	38	44	41	59	84	56	-	596

 

Haven't had a chance to look closely.  Obviously all those teams are ridiculous.  The one thing that I think could save me against Drew and Menlo is the combination of those teams lacking per and my guard/SF def would allow me to play -2/-3 against those teams with no fear of allowing perimeter points.  That would eliminate some of the spd differential, plus it would obviously help my rebounding (especially given that anyone who didn't play +2 against me was probably going to give up a bunch of 3s).

Still not saying I would win, of course, just noting one advantage I had which might help negate the obvious disadvantage.

I wish we could've seen a Hamline/RP final last season.  Based on how the game went a few nights back, I think it would've at least been a competitive game.  RP might have even matched up a little better last season with that young frontcourt you had. 

I'd take Hamline over all the teams posted fwiw..and they're all amazing.  But none of them come close to matching the insane LP/Per ratings, and the Ath/Def would keep Hamline in any game.  Only way they would lose is with a bad shooting roll of the dice on both ends.

Posted by killbatman on 1/11/2012 4:15:00 PM (view original):
I wish we could've seen a Hamline/RP final last season.  Based on how the game went a few nights back, I think it would've at least been a competitive game.  RP might have even matched up a little better last season with that young frontcourt you had. 

I'd take Hamline over all the teams posted fwiw..and they're all amazing.  But none of them come close to matching the insane LP/Per ratings, and the Ath/Def would keep Hamline in any game.  Only way they would lose is with a bad shooting roll of the dice on both ends.

Maybe we differ in how we evaluate players/teams, because I would take 10 point edge in team ath/spd over 40-50 points in lp/per any day. 

In fairness, I don't think you can group them like that.  First, I don't know that any of it truly matters without comparing actual matchups.  Second, even if we were doing it by team totals, Hamline has the highest ath out of any of the listed teams.  So the only advantage is speed, not spd/ath.  The two don't go together like that.