Posted by terps17321 on 1/29/2016 10:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bistiza on 1/29/2016 7:41:00 AM (view original):
You can over rate ANY player by saying he's much better than he actually is - and that's what you and many others do with Brady.
The guy is a good game manager who has played on many talented teams and has had great coaching his entire career. Those things have made him appear great when he's merely good.
Brady is like Trent Dilfer from the 2000 Ravens SB season, but over a much longer time span. He's continually managed to do well enough not to screw up a team that would have won about the same number of games and Super Bowls with any decent NFL QB who didn't screw it up.
Brady doesn't make many plays that any decent NFL QB couldn't also make and I've never seen him make a single play a great like Peyton Manning couldn't also make.
Brady is OVER RATED precisely because he's played on talented teams with great coaching, and THAT is why he's a "winner". It has very little to do with him. Again, this can't be stated enough: Any decent NFL QB who played for those teams would have probably won, too.
Are you serious. Brady has had no weapons to speak of. What talent WR or RB has he had that would even sniff the Hall of Fame(excluding Moss). His receivers are 3rd string on any other team at best. You put any other QB on those Patriot teams and they win 3-4 games at best. I hate Brady but he makes WR better than they are.
Yes, I'm serious. Are you?
Receivers:
Brady not only had Randy Moss for several seasons and has had Rob Gronkowski for several recently (both the best in the game at their position at the time), he's also had great coaching which put in place other receivers who were molded to the NE system of throwing short passes and having talented runners get the yards - a system put in place because Brady lacks the skills to be anything more than a game manager. Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola - all are prototypes of this kind of receiver.
Brady's receivers were not nearly as bad as you want to pretend they were, and certainly not "3rd string on any other team".
With any other decent NFL QB on the Patriots, nothing significant changes.
Brady doesn't make anyone better than they are - they make him look better than he is.
Running backs:
Steven Jackson is their back right now, and the guy is a beast with over 11,000 career yards.
Last year the team shrewdly picked up Legarratte Blount (after the Steelers got rid of him for drug issues) and he proved to be just what they needed.
Earlier in his career, Brady had significant help from Corey Dillon, who earned his fourth and final Pro Bowl bid during the Pats 2004 title season (he won the other three in Cincinnati, showing he was productive without Brady). I would argue Dillon was the reason the Pats won so many games that year and made it to and won the SB, as his runs forced defenses into the box and gave Brady one-on-one matchups much of the time.
Brady has had the help of a super utility running back named Kevin Faulk for most of his career (until 2011). The guy never ran for super yardage and won't sniff the HOF, but he got tough yardage when they needed it on the ground, and he caught significant passes out of the backfield. The guy has over 3,500 career rushing yards, but because he was used sparingly, never had a 100-yard rushing game - and that's a record for most yardage without one. He made Brady look better on many occasions, often picking up key third downs they wouldn't have gotten without him.