Advice for OL pitching choices Topic

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SP 1902 Jack Taylor R 23-11-1 384 1.33 .227 0.97 2.30 1.19 0.06 83-43 $12,320,485

SP/RP 1904 Cy Young R 26-16-1 400 1.97 .233 0.94 4.74 0.69 0.14 200-29 $12,243,255

SP/RP 1888 Elton Chamberlain R 11-2-0 135 1.61 .152 0.79 4.58 2.17 0.08 57-27 $6,153,872

SP/RP 1958 Barry Latman R 3-0-0 51 0.76 .162 0.92 5.29 3.21 0.19 28-17 $2,165,361

SP/RP 1919 Art Nehf L 9-2-0 119 1.50 .196 0.87 2.12 1.68 0.18 24-19 $3,880,829

SP/RP 1988 Bob Milacki R 2-0-0 26 0.72 .110 0.72 6.48 3.24 0.36 18-9 $1,231,122

SP/RP 1967 Cisco Carlos R 2-0-0 42 0.86 .161 0.77 5.83 1.94 0.00 27-9 $1,938,932

SP/RP 1943 Johnny Niggeling R 4-2-0 54 0.88 .153 0.86 4.24 3.00 0.00 24-17 $2,456,323
SP/RP 1950 George Spencer R 1-0-0 27 2.49 .141 0.75 1.78 2.49 1.07 5-7 $1,025,727
   

The fielding is all B or better. I have A fielders at catcher, ss, cf with the same in range. The other 5 starters are D range.

2 questions:
1. Has anyone successfully used a primarily 2 man rotation with occasional spot starts?
2. What is your advice for stadiums?
3. Who would you change and why?

Not asking for your secrets just an honest evaluation as I want to increase my success.
7/8/2010 11:33 PM
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What cap? Yes dh/no dh? AAA rules?
7/8/2010 11:42 PM
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Posted by uncleal on 7/8/2010 11:42:00 PM (view original):
What cap? Yes dh/no dh? AAA rules?
He said it was an OL staff...


with that said I'm not sure about those OAVs on your starters. I can't check the OAV#s at the moment but I doubt they'd be much prettier.
7/9/2010 10:12 AM
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Even if your AAA is great, you'll probably have fatigue issues. Of course, many of people have won with fatigue issues.
7/9/2010 12:13 PM
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Posted by mikemundt on 7/8/2010 11:34:00 PM (view original):
SP 1902 Jack Taylor R 23-11-1 384 1.33 .227 0.97 2.30 1.19 0.06 83-43 $12,320,485

SP/RP 1904 Cy Young R 26-16-1 400 1.97 .233 0.94 4.74 0.69 0.14 200-29 $12,243,255

SP/RP 1888 Elton Chamberlain R 11-2-0 135 1.61 .152 0.79 4.58 2.17 0.08 57-27 $6,153,872

SP/RP 1958 Barry Latman R 3-0-0 51 0.76 .162 0.92 5.29 3.21 0.19 28-17 $2,165,361

SP/RP 1919 Art Nehf L 9-2-0 119 1.50 .196 0.87 2.12 1.68 0.18 24-19 $3,880,829

SP/RP 1988 Bob Milacki R 2-0-0 26 0.72 .110 0.72 6.48 3.24 0.36 18-9 $1,231,122

SP/RP 1967 Cisco Carlos R 2-0-0 42 0.86 .161 0.77 5.83 1.94 0.00 27-9 $1,938,932

SP/RP 1943 Johnny Niggeling R 4-2-0 54 0.88 .153 0.86 4.24 3.00 0.00 24-17 $2,456,323
SP/RP 1950 George Spencer R 1-0-0 27 2.49 .141 0.75 1.78 2.49 1.07 5-7 $1,025,727
   

The fielding is all B or better. I have A fielders at catcher, ss, cf with the same in range. The other 5 starters are D range.

2 questions:
1. Has anyone successfully used a primarily 2 man rotation with occasional spot starts?
2. What is your advice for stadiums?
3. Who would you change and why?

Not asking for your secrets just an honest evaluation as I want to increase my success.
1. Yes, you can run a 2man pitching staff.   I do it all the time.

2. I tailor my stadium to my offense, I would suspect you would do well with these guys anywhere but I would choose a pitchers stadium to limit the effect of fatigue.

3.  I would dump Spencer or Milacki for about another 100 or so IP.
7/9/2010 12:20 PM
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Posted by trenchfoot on 7/9/2010 10:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by uncleal on 7/8/2010 11:42:00 PM (view original):
What cap? Yes dh/no dh? AAA rules?
He said it was an OL staff...


with that said I'm not sure about those OAVs on your starters. I can't check the OAV#s at the moment but I doubt they'd be much prettier.
Oh, so he did. My bad. Hmmm...

*thinking*
7/9/2010 12:57 PM
mikemundt
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Thanks a ton
7/9/2010 1:50 PM
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And be aware in an OL, if they went bad, you would most likley not be able to waive them because of the 1200 inning minimum.  So you would have to ride out the season with them if they dont end up having a good season.
7/9/2010 8:12 PM
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I found my furst success way back when using what I called the 2 1/2 man roatation, which was a 2 man rotation plus a third that I got about 30 starts from.

7/10/2010 9:58 AM
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A 2-man rotation can work,but you will need to use your scrubs and possibly AAA a lot.  My advice would be to let your scrubs pitch till their arms fall off before the roster set date.  Save your AAA for the stretch drive.

7/11/2010 2:49 PM
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Posted by thurst63 on 7/10/2010 6:39:00 PM (view original):
784 in for your 2 starters I just dont see that working out.
 
It most certainly can...the beauty of this game is that you can win a gazillion different ways.  I won a TOC with a team that had less than 500 ip out of a 2 man rotation.   It was 1964 Joe Hoerlen and some other schlep on a 40PC with a super good pen.
7/11/2010 10:16 PM
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You can make that work, but keep in mind that your division of labor is more heavily skewed to your bullpen than most teams.  Assuming that you want to use Chamberlain and Nehf mainly in long relief, not as starters, you have 1238 innings for your staff divided into 784 innings for starters and 454 innings for relievers.

That's a split of 62.5% of the innings for your starters and 37.5% for your relievers.  Applied to a typical 9-inning game with 135 pitches, that breaks down to roughly 84 pitches for your starters and 51 pitches for your relievers.  That's a gross oversimplification on a hundred levels, but you should think in terms of TPC./MPC of 70/80 or, at most, 75/85 for your starters and bring your bullpen in very early each game.

You're cutting it fine, and this isn't a team that will run itself.  You will have fatigue issues if you don't set your rosters nearly every game.  As grizzly said, you'll need 100+ innings from AAA and/or scrubs, and a pitcher's park will help.  It's dicey to have a starting rotation under 900 IP, but it's doable if you manage it closely.

Zubinsun's advice about when to use scrubs and when to use AAA is good.

Be careful using Chamberlain and Nehf.  It will be very easy to get them fatigued if you start shuttling them between spot starts and the bullpen without a plan.  Try to plan very roughly how many games you want each of your pitchers to pitch during the season. 

My only quibble is that you're limiting Taylor and Young to 5 or 6 innings a game with this approach, and you're paying in part for their ability to pitch much deeper into games.  So in a sense you're "wasting" several hundred thousand dollars of their purchase price, but it's not the end of the world.
7/12/2010 12:37 AM
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Is ip/g factored into pricing?   I didn't think it was...
7/12/2010 8:53 AM
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I always thought it was, but maybe not.  It should be.  You might be right, because there is that Royals pitcher from the 80's whose name I always forget who is priced over $6 million for 150-some innings.  I snatched him up from the WW once for an already bad team without paying enough attention to his stats and, as soon as I had him, discovered to my great dismay that he only pitched 2 IP/G.  Suffice it to say that my bad team immediately became worse.
7/12/2010 3:37 PM
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