Posted by Jtpsops on 6/29/2016 3:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wylie715 on 6/29/2016 3:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/29/2016 1:57:00 PM (view original):
Pretty sure the topic hasn't changed. We're talking about the value of outs compared to the value of productive outs.
How should we measure that value?
a productive out is an out that produces an outcome that could be helpful to the team (a ground out to the right side with a man on 1st or 2nd base). A non-productive out is a strike out at any time. How else can you measure that?
BL doesn't understand the concept of relative value. He's trying to assign every event a finite value in terms of how many runs it's worth. And he apparently doesn't understand he is the only one doing that. He's convinced "we" are all discussing things in his terms.
I tend to use practical application of facts and common sense.
A sac fly that scores the 2nd run in a 2-1 victory is a damn important productive out.
A sac fly that scores the 9th run in a 13-1 victory is just a stat-padder.
Therefore, in my mind, that 1st sac fly was infinitely more valuable.
I'm quite sure BL doesn't see that. Or this thread would have ended days ago.