Andrew Hawkins Topic

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 2:49:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by bad_luck on 12/16/2014 2:14:00 PM (view original):
How about this guy?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/
 
Yea, that's criminal.

IMO, the police in the Rice killing were justified because they believed Rice had a gun, and was aiming it at people. They believed him to be dangerous.
Criminal?   Not so much.    He was fired for being incompetent.  

Nonetheless, when dealing with cops, you have to let them know what you're doing while you're doing it if you'll be out of their view.   Cops don't like not being able to see what you're doing.
You're right. I lumped you in with Mike, tec. Good to know you think the cop committed a crime.
I said that the shooting was "likely not justified".

It's up to the South Carolina legal system to determine whether or not a crime was committed by the officer.

In your opinion, do you think the cop committed a crime?
I'm not the expert on the South Carolina criminal statutes.  Therefore, my opinion is irrelevant.

As is yours.

So no one who isn't an expert on something can have an opinion on it?

It's weird that you come here, then, and give your opinion on a variety of subjects (baseball, police shootings, obamacare, etc.) seeing how you are not an expert on any of those things.

12/17/2014 2:55 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 2:51:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 1:19:00 PM (view original):
Women who wear short skirts in public are more likely to be raped than women who wear jeans. Woman in short skirt who goes out for the night gets raped. If this thread was "rapist should go to jail" would your response be "well, really, she shouldn't have been out like that. She was asking for it."
I need more details.

Did she get totally ********* and go to the bathroom with Rothlisberger?
Did she brag about ******* Kobe then accuse him of rape?
Did she get so ****** up that high school boys carried her from party to party while having their way with her?
Nope. Was just wearing a short skirt. She had nice legs. Got rapist's attention.
Where was she?
What time was it?
What was she doing?
An SC college bar in Columbia. It was 11 PM. She was followed to the bathroom and raped there.

If you're going to need more details, I'm not sure why, considering you're jumping to defend a cop who was charged with assault for shooting a man who reached for his license when the cop asked him to. You don't know much more detail than that, so asking me for more specifics than this seems unnecessary. 
A Rothlisberger-type situation?

I didn't really defend the cop for shooting the guy.  I said he was a ****** cop not a criminal.   And pointed out that the "suspect" could have done something differently to avoid getting shot by a ****** cop.
I don't know the specifics with Rothlisberger, honestly.

The rapist approached her because she was wearing this short skirt and tried to hit on her. She took part his a conversation with him to be nice. She went to the bathroom partially to end the conversation.

It's interesting that you jump to accuse a man who was simply getting his license, and not the man who shot him for assuming he was getting a gun or flamethrower. I understand being a cop is difficult, and I respect most people who decide they want to be a law enforcement officer, but clearly the officer overreacted to the situation, and is (imo) rightly charged with a crime because of it.
Described in that way, girl dressed in a short skirt having a drink in a nice bar and walking to bathroom to get away from future rapist, no, she was not at fault. 

Put her in some dive, drinking like a sailor and chatting up every man in the place for a free drink, the circumstances change as does her involvement.
12/17/2014 2:55 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 2:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 2:52:00 PM (view original):
He won't be convicted.   

Therefore, when he isn't, will burnsyluck come back and say "No crime was committed"?
I don't think he'll be convicted of 1st degree assault either.  It doesn't mean I blame the guy trying to accommodate the cop's request more than the cop who clearly overreacted by shooting the guy who was getting his license for him.
I'm not "blaming" anyone.   I'm saying the guy could have handled the situation differently and avoided being shot.   

There is fault when something bad happens when dealing with authority and you could have done something differently to avoid it.    And it's not the same as when dealing with some drunk ******* in a bar.
12/17/2014 2:57 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 2:55:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by bad_luck on 12/16/2014 2:14:00 PM (view original):
How about this guy?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/
 
Yea, that's criminal.

IMO, the police in the Rice killing were justified because they believed Rice had a gun, and was aiming it at people. They believed him to be dangerous.
Criminal?   Not so much.    He was fired for being incompetent.  

Nonetheless, when dealing with cops, you have to let them know what you're doing while you're doing it if you'll be out of their view.   Cops don't like not being able to see what you're doing.
You're right. I lumped you in with Mike, tec. Good to know you think the cop committed a crime.
I said that the shooting was "likely not justified".

It's up to the South Carolina legal system to determine whether or not a crime was committed by the officer.

In your opinion, do you think the cop committed a crime?
I'm not the expert on the South Carolina criminal statutes.  Therefore, my opinion is irrelevant.

As is yours.

So no one who isn't an expert on something can have an opinion on it?

It's weird that you come here, then, and give your opinion on a variety of subjects (baseball, police shootings, obamacare, etc.) seeing how you are not an expert on any of those things.

I can have an opinion on it.  But since I'm not knowledgeable about the SC criminal statutes, it wouldn't be a very well-informed opinion.

I suppose I can be like you and pretend that I know everything about everything.  But you often look like a retard when you do that, so I'll pass.
12/17/2014 2:59 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 2:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 2:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 2:35:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2014 4:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 12/16/2014 2:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/16/2014 2:14:00 PM (view original):
How about this guy?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/
 
Yea, that's criminal.

IMO, the police in the Rice killing were justified because they believed Rice had a gun, and was aiming it at people. They believed him to be dangerous.
Criminal?   Not so much.    He was fired for being incompetent.  

Nonetheless, when dealing with cops, you have to let them know what you're doing while you're doing it if you'll be out of their view.   Cops don't like not being able to see what you're doing.
You're right. I lumped you in with Mike, tec. Good to know you think the cop committed a crime.
I said that the shooting was "likely not justified".

It's up to the South Carolina legal system to determine whether or not a crime was committed by the officer.

In your opinion, do you think the cop committed a crime?
I'm not the expert on the South Carolina criminal statutes.  Therefore, my opinion is irrelevant.

As is yours.

LOL

You're not an expert on any of things you argue about here, but that hasn't stopped you from having an opinion before.
Good to know that tec will from now on stop posting his opinion and will only report facts.
12/17/2014 2:59 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2014 4:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 12/16/2014 2:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/16/2014 2:14:00 PM (view original):
How about this guy?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/
 
Yea, that's criminal.

IMO, the police in the Rice killing were justified because they believed Rice had a gun, and was aiming it at people. They believed him to be dangerous.
Criminal?   Not so much.    He was fired for being incompetent.  

Nonetheless, when dealing with cops, you have to let them know what you're doing while you're doing it if you'll be out of their view.   Cops don't like not being able to see what you're doing.
You're right. I lumped you in with Mike, tec. Good to know you think the cop committed a crime.
I said that the shooting was "likely not justified".

It's up to the South Carolina legal system to determine whether or not a crime was committed by the officer.

In your opinion, do you think the cop committed a crime?
I'm not the expert on the South Carolina criminal statutes.  Therefore, my opinion is irrelevant.

As is yours.

LOL

You're not an expert on any of things you argue about here, but that hasn't stopped you from having an opinion before.
Good to know that tec will from now on stop posting his opinion and will only report facts.
Do you promise to do the same?

12/17/2014 3:01 PM
Tec:

"Today I had a turkey sandwich for lunch. Multigrain bread, dijon mustard. Mixed greens, red onion, no pickle."

"Was it good?"

"Well, I'm not an expert on sandwiches or poultry in general, so I won't give you my opinion."

12/17/2014 3:01 PM
Do you promise to do the same?

I have no interest in doing the same. I'm not scared of stating my opinion.
12/17/2014 3:02 PM
Tec:

"It is currently raining outside."

"Is it windy, too?"

"Well, I'm not an expert on weather so, while yes, wind technically exists outside, I can't give you an opinion on whether or not it should be considered 'windy.'"
12/17/2014 3:05 PM
Mike, I'd argue that wearing a short skirt at a bar, and talking to a man who was interested in her is essentially the same thing. She could have avoided the possibility of being raped by wearing jeans, or by refusing to talk to the man who was interested in her. Going to a bar and doing this means there's an increased chance you're raped, in the same way that reaching in a car when a cop asks for your license, when outside the car, could mean you're getting shot by a cop, even when a reasonable person could see you're simply following the cop's orders. I'd argue that it's criminal to do that, although 20 years in prison seems very harsh. 
12/17/2014 3:07 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 3:02:00 PM (view original):
Do you promise to do the same?

I have no interest in doing the same. I'm not scared of stating my opinion.
You would be if you had any self-awareness.
12/17/2014 3:08 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 3:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 3:02:00 PM (view original):
Do you promise to do the same?

I have no interest in doing the same. I'm not scared of stating my opinion.
You would be if you had any self-awareness.
Is that your opinion?
12/17/2014 3:11 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 3:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 3:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 3:02:00 PM (view original):
Do you promise to do the same?

I have no interest in doing the same. I'm not scared of stating my opinion.
You would be if you had any self-awareness.
Is that your opinion?
No, that's fact.  I'm an expert in recognizing that you have no self-awareness.
12/17/2014 3:19 PM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 3:07:00 PM (view original):
Mike, I'd argue that wearing a short skirt at a bar, and talking to a man who was interested in her is essentially the same thing. She could have avoided the possibility of being raped by wearing jeans, or by refusing to talk to the man who was interested in her. Going to a bar and doing this means there's an increased chance you're raped, in the same way that reaching in a car when a cop asks for your license, when outside the car, could mean you're getting shot by a cop, even when a reasonable person could see you're simply following the cop's orders. I'd argue that it's criminal to do that, although 20 years in prison seems very harsh. 
I'd argue that dressing in an attractive way and speaking to the opposite sex in a bar(where almost everyone is trying to look good and interact with the opposite sex) is nothing like making your body/hands no longer visible when a cop detains you. 

The biggest difference is that one guy has the right to shoot you if he feels threatened while the other guy has no right to rape you if he feels aroused.

It's silly to compare the two.    But you've done it for a half dozen pages.
12/17/2014 3:30 PM
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