Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 1:40:00 PM (view original):
Let's just cut to the chase.

You think you should be able to do anything you want any time you want if you're not breaking any laws.
I actually agree.

But then I realize that I live in the real world where cops shoot people, people shoot cops, people rob people, people rape people, etc, etc and I think "Maybe there are some perfectly legal things I just shouldn't do in order to decrease my risk."

No one is arguing with that. The point, all along, is that while doing things to decrease risk is smart, you failing to take every precaution doesn't absolve others of their crimes against you.

Nobody is talking about absolving people who have committed crimes.

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 2:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 1:40:00 PM (view original):
Let's just cut to the chase.

You think you should be able to do anything you want any time you want if you're not breaking any laws.
I actually agree.

But then I realize that I live in the real world where cops shoot people, people shoot cops, people rob people, people rape people, etc, etc and I think "Maybe there are some perfectly legal things I just shouldn't do in order to decrease my risk."

No one is arguing with that. The point, all along, is that while doing things to decrease risk is smart, you failing to take every precaution doesn't absolve others of their crimes against you.

Nobody is talking about absolving people who have committed crimes.

Splitting hairs.

Most think that the Jones shooting was a crime. You and mike don't because Jones didn't take every possible precaution.

Show me where I said it wasn't a crime.

I'll wait here.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 1:55:00 PM (view original):
I asked you some very direct questions regarding said girl.    You know the circumstances dictate everything.    If you want to stay on this "Is the girl to blame?" path, answer the ******* questions.    And be prepared for more. 

When you said "i'll cut to the chase," I figured you didn't want said questions answered. 

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2014 4:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/16/2014 2:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/16/2014 2:14:00 PM (view original):
How about this guy?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/

 

Yea, that's criminal.

IMO, the police in the Rice killing were justified because they believed Rice had a gun, and was aiming it at people. They believed him to be dangerous.

Criminal?   Not so much.    He was fired for being incompetent.  

Nonetheless, when dealing with cops, you have to let them know what you're doing while you're doing it if you'll be out of their view.   Cops don't like not being able to see what you're doing.

You're right. I lumped you in with Mike, tec. Good to know you think the cop committed a crime.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 1:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 1:19:00 PM (view original):
Women who wear short skirts in public are more likely to be raped than women who wear jeans. Woman in short skirt who goes out for the night gets raped. If this thread was "rapist should go to jail" would your response be "well, really, she shouldn't have been out like that. She was asking for it."

I need more details.

Did she get totally ********* and go to the bathroom with Rothlisberger?
Did she brag about ******* Kobe then accuse him of rape?
Did she get so ****** up that high school boys carried her from party to party while having their way with her?

Nope. Was just wearing a short skirt. She had nice legs. Got rapist's attention.

Where was she?
What time was it?
What was she doing?

An SC college bar in Columbia. It was 11 PM. She was followed to the bathroom and raped there.

If you're going to need more details, I'm not sure why, considering you're jumping to defend a cop who was charged with assault for shooting a man who reached for his license when the cop asked him to. You don't know much more detail than that, so asking me for more specifics than this seems unnecessary. 

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2014 4:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/16/2014 2:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/16/2014 2:14:00 PM (view original):
How about this guy?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/

 

Yea, that's criminal.

IMO, the police in the Rice killing were justified because they believed Rice had a gun, and was aiming it at people. They believed him to be dangerous.

Criminal?   Not so much.    He was fired for being incompetent.  

Nonetheless, when dealing with cops, you have to let them know what you're doing while you're doing it if you'll be out of their view.   Cops don't like not being able to see what you're doing.

You're right. I lumped you in with Mike, tec. Good to know you think the cop committed a crime.

I said that the shooting was "likely not justified".

It's up to the South Carolina legal system to determine whether or not a crime was committed by the officer.

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 2:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2014 4:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/16/2014 2:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/16/2014 2:14:00 PM (view original):
How about this guy?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/

 

Yea, that's criminal.

IMO, the police in the Rice killing were justified because they believed Rice had a gun, and was aiming it at people. They believed him to be dangerous.

Criminal?   Not so much.    He was fired for being incompetent.  

Nonetheless, when dealing with cops, you have to let them know what you're doing while you're doing it if you'll be out of their view.   Cops don't like not being able to see what you're doing.

You're right. I lumped you in with Mike, tec. Good to know you think the cop committed a crime.

I said that the shooting was "likely not justified".

It's up to the South Carolina legal system to determine whether or not a crime was committed by the officer.

In your opinion, do you think the cop committed a crime?

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 2:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 1:55:00 PM (view original):
I asked you some very direct questions regarding said girl.    You know the circumstances dictate everything.    If you want to stay on this "Is the girl to blame?" path, answer the ******* questions.    And be prepared for more. 

When you said "i'll cut to the chase," I figured you didn't want said questions answered. 

Yeah, that had nothing to do with your hypothetical girl.

You think, if you're not breaking the law, you should be able to do anything, at any time, you want.
I agree.
But that's not how the world works. 

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 2:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 1:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 1:19:00 PM (view original):
Women who wear short skirts in public are more likely to be raped than women who wear jeans. Woman in short skirt who goes out for the night gets raped. If this thread was "rapist should go to jail" would your response be "well, really, she shouldn't have been out like that. She was asking for it."

I need more details.

Did she get totally ********* and go to the bathroom with Rothlisberger?
Did she brag about ******* Kobe then accuse him of rape?
Did she get so ****** up that high school boys carried her from party to party while having their way with her?

Nope. Was just wearing a short skirt. She had nice legs. Got rapist's attention.

Where was she?
What time was it?
What was she doing?

An SC college bar in Columbia. It was 11 PM. She was followed to the bathroom and raped there.

If you're going to need more details, I'm not sure why, considering you're jumping to defend a cop who was charged with assault for shooting a man who reached for his license when the cop asked him to. You don't know much more detail than that, so asking me for more specifics than this seems unnecessary. 

A Rothlisberger-type situation?

I didn't really defend the cop for shooting the guy.  I said he was a ****** cop not a criminal.   And pointed out that the "suspect" could have done something differently to avoid getting shot by a ****** cop.

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 2:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 2:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2014 4:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/16/2014 2:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/16/2014 2:14:00 PM (view original):
How about this guy?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/

 

Yea, that's criminal.

IMO, the police in the Rice killing were justified because they believed Rice had a gun, and was aiming it at people. They believed him to be dangerous.

Criminal?   Not so much.    He was fired for being incompetent.  

Nonetheless, when dealing with cops, you have to let them know what you're doing while you're doing it if you'll be out of their view.   Cops don't like not being able to see what you're doing.

You're right. I lumped you in with Mike, tec. Good to know you think the cop committed a crime.

I said that the shooting was "likely not justified".

It's up to the South Carolina legal system to determine whether or not a crime was committed by the officer.

In your opinion, do you think the cop committed a crime?

I'm not the expert on the South Carolina criminal statutes.  Therefore, my opinion is irrelevant.

As is yours.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 2:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 2:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 1:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/17/2014 1:19:00 PM (view original):
Women who wear short skirts in public are more likely to be raped than women who wear jeans. Woman in short skirt who goes out for the night gets raped. If this thread was "rapist should go to jail" would your response be "well, really, she shouldn't have been out like that. She was asking for it."

I need more details.

Did she get totally ********* and go to the bathroom with Rothlisberger?
Did she brag about ******* Kobe then accuse him of rape?
Did she get so ****** up that high school boys carried her from party to party while having their way with her?

Nope. Was just wearing a short skirt. She had nice legs. Got rapist's attention.

Where was she?
What time was it?
What was she doing?

An SC college bar in Columbia. It was 11 PM. She was followed to the bathroom and raped there.

If you're going to need more details, I'm not sure why, considering you're jumping to defend a cop who was charged with assault for shooting a man who reached for his license when the cop asked him to. You don't know much more detail than that, so asking me for more specifics than this seems unnecessary. 

A Rothlisberger-type situation?

I didn't really defend the cop for shooting the guy.  I said he was a ****** cop not a criminal.   And pointed out that the "suspect" could have done something differently to avoid getting shot by a ****** cop.

I don't know the specifics with Rothlisberger, honestly.

The rapist approached her because she was wearing this short skirt and tried to hit on her. She took part his a conversation with him to be nice. She went to the bathroom partially to end the conversation.

It's interesting that you jump to accuse a man who was simply getting his license, and not the man who shot him for assuming he was getting a gun or flamethrower. I understand being a cop is difficult, and I respect most people who decide they want to be a law enforcement officer, but clearly the officer overreacted to the situation, and is (imo) rightly charged with a crime because of it.

He won't be convicted.   

Therefore, when he isn't, will burnsyluck come back and say "No crime was committed"?

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 2:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 2:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/17/2014 2:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/17/2014 2:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/16/2014 4:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/16/2014 2:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/16/2014 2:14:00 PM (view original):
How about this guy?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/

 

Yea, that's criminal.

IMO, the police in the Rice killing were justified because they believed Rice had a gun, and was aiming it at people. They believed him to be dangerous.

Criminal?   Not so much.    He was fired for being incompetent.  

Nonetheless, when dealing with cops, you have to let them know what you're doing while you're doing it if you'll be out of their view.   Cops don't like not being able to see what you're doing.

You're right. I lumped you in with Mike, tec. Good to know you think the cop committed a crime.

I said that the shooting was "likely not justified".

It's up to the South Carolina legal system to determine whether or not a crime was committed by the officer.

In your opinion, do you think the cop committed a crime?

I'm not the expert on the South Carolina criminal statutes.  Therefore, my opinion is irrelevant.

As is yours.

LOL

You're not an expert on any of things you argue about here, but that hasn't stopped you from having an opinion before.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/17/2014 2:52:00 PM (view original):
He won't be convicted.   

Therefore, when he isn't, will burnsyluck come back and say "No crime was committed"?

I don't think he'll be convicted of 1st degree assault either.  It doesn't mean I blame the guy trying to accommodate the cop's request more than the cop who clearly overreacted by shooting the guy who was getting his license for him.