If you can't be honest enough about your position to admit that it might be at least marginally flawed in some way, there's really no point trying to have a discussion about it.
I'm simply confident in my position. If that presents too much of a challenge for you, perhaps you should avoid participating in a discussion about it.
I'd like to eliminate sales tax altogether and roll it into income tax, where the more you earn the more you pay. As it stands, it unfairly benefits the wealthy because everyone pays the same percentage.
You again will not define a "fair share", won't tell us how much more you would have them pay, won't back up your assertions with facts, and make all sorts of assumptions about "rich people" without evidence.
I already defined "fair share" and explained why it can't be pinned to a specific number. Go read it.
I do back up assertions with facts. Again, read it.
I draw conclusions based upon facts and observations regarding many things, including "rich people". That doesn't mean I'm making assumptions or not using evidence. Once again, I think you need to read things a little better.
Y'know, I TRIED to give biz and badluck a graceful way out by explaining the THINKING vs. FEELING paradigms and the divergent concept of "fair"...
You tried to tell us we weren't thinking, which isn't true. You tried to insult us while praising your own opinion and provided nothing in the way of factual information or a real argument.
I wish the government would define wealthy as $50000 in hh income so that these guys would grasp the concept that 'it's only 3.6 percent so who cares, you're well off' when it pertains to them.... I guarantee you every one of them would throw a fit.
I would be fine with taxes going up 3.6 percent on those making $50,000 or more, PROVIDED they go up even more on those making a great deal more than $50,000 (perhaps $250,000 or more).
I can't make it any clearer.... sorry man. Currently the wealthy simply have to pay more for the SAME EXACT American Citizenship than someone who has less $.
Someone who earns more has to pay more, yes. They also get to spend the majority of their money on things they don't need if they so desire, while remaining ignorant of the rest of the world including those who struggle to find food to eat or money for heat, electric, etc, who also have to pay taxes which burden them FAR more than the wealthy are burdened by their taxes.
what additional freedoms or rights as a citizen does he get from uncle Sam that you aren't getting?
I could go all day on this one, but let's just list a few for starters: He gets more respect just about everywhere he goes as long as people somehow know he has his wealth. He can purchase many things, including healthcare, housing, vehicles, food, and other things which may not be affordable to those with less, making his life more comfortable. He doesn't have to feel the stress of unemployment or worrying about how to pay his bills. He has the freedom to not have to work for someone as a modern day endentured servant. Those are just a few things he gets.
Yeah, it the same basic citizenship, and the same rights, but absolutely the government pays more attention to what the wealthy think and say than the poor OR the middle class.
Of course the government pays more attention to the wealthy. Who do you think largely finances the campaigns of those who are elected and make the decisions? It's not rocket science.
strangely the poor and middle class seem to be paying a lot of attention to the wealthy as well...Probably should be paying a bit more attention to themselves;)
They do pay attention to themselves. It just p***es them off when the wealthy are catered to by foolish politicians such as the republicans who are trying to send everyone to higher taxes by refusing to accept the rich should pay a bit more.
Unlike income tax, the way FICA is implemented is completely screwed up. It's primarily funded by the poor and the middle class.
I agree about FICA, but think income tax needs reformed as well. FICA should have no cap. There is no reason someone shouldn't pay into it for income above a certain level. None.
fair tax would eliminate all of that .... tax brackets, loopholes, deductions, capital gains....
Absolutely agree with this. You pay your rate and that's it - it's the only fair way to do things. I'm sick of people like Mitt Romney paying a lower percentage than people who make far less because of all that crap.
SOAK EVERYBODY MAKING 750,000+ UP IF YE CANT LIVE COMFORTABLY ON MILLIONS, TOUGH ****
I agree with this completely.