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3/26/2013 5:24 PM
Posted by bistiza on 3/26/2013 2:47:00 PM (view original):
Notice I'm being fair to all religions, even the atheists, by saying I'm in favor of everyone having equal right to put up religious symbols and the like.

The atheists, on the other hand, only want their own agenda forwarded. Everyone must be secular like them, or at least as much as they can force on everyone else through legal actions that show how much they need to get a life.

Well, we live in a secular country with a specific constitutional amendment prohibiting the establishment of a religion.

That same amendment gives you the freedom to practice whatever religion you choose (or to not practice a religion in the case of agnostics and atheists). But you don't have the freedom to conscript public buildings, especially authoritative ones like courthouses, to display your religious beliefs.

That's an infringement on the rights of others.
3/26/2013 5:32 PM
"infringement on the rights"?

Does that mean the heathens will be unfairly tried in a courthouse with a Baby Jesus on the lawn?
3/26/2013 5:41 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/26/2013 5:32:00 PM (view original):
"infringement on the rights"?

Does that mean the heathens will be unfairly tried in a courthouse with a Baby Jesus on the lawn?
No, it means you can't put baby jesus and the ten commandments on every courthouse and then not consider that a state establishment of religion.
3/26/2013 8:54 PM
So what's the "infringement on the rights"?

They had to look at a Baby Jesus on the way in?

Whoa!  Talk about cruel and unusual punishment.
3/26/2013 8:57 PM
Do they still do this?

"Do you solemnly swear or affirm that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?"
3/26/2013 9:30 PM

NO!

3/27/2013 8:18 AM
Well, I'll take your word for it because I imagine you spend a lot of time in court. 
3/27/2013 8:26 AM
Anyway, walking past a display does not make me feel as if my rights have been infringed upon.

3/27/2013 9:31 AM
FWIW, this is probably what biz was yammering on about.    "It offends me.  Take it down."  

I'm not sure when we became a nation of easily offended people but that's why we have to worry about saying "Easter Bunny", "Merry Christmas", "Happy Hannukah", "All praise Allah" or anyfuckingthing else that might have a religious connotation.    Who the **** should care?  Infringing upon your rights should be refusing to let you drink from the same water fountain or use the same bathroom, refusing to serve you because you wear a turban, kicking your *** because you like other dudes, arresting you because you have a cross on your lapel.    ****.
3/27/2013 10:17 AM
Well, we live in a secular country with a specific constitutional amendment prohibiting the establishment of a religion.

That's just it - we do NOT live in a secular country at all, except in the dreams of atheists. Most people believe in some higher power, and the number of people who follow most individual religions is more than the number who are atheist or secular.

Beyond that, the constitutional amendment prohibits establishment of a religion and prohibits limiting the free exercise thereof. The point is to provide people with freedom to worship as they so choose, not to limit them.
But you don't have the freedom to conscript public buildings, especially authoritative ones like courthouses, to display your religious beliefs. That's an infringement on the rights of others.
 
It's not an infringement at all, provided you also have equal rights to post your own beliefs in the same places.

Prohibiting everyone from any displays isn't equality - it favors the agendas of atheists, and that's what they want.
Infringing upon your rights should be refusing to let you drink from the same water fountain or use the same bathroom, refusing to serve you because you wear a turban, kicking your *** because you like other dudes, arresting you because you have a cross on your lapel.
Absolutely agree 100 percent.

If you are offended or feel like your rights were infringed upon because you had to look at a statue or an inscription that doesn't personally match your religious beliefs, then you need to get over yourself, get a life, and find something to do that doesn't involve whining like a *****.



3/27/2013 11:17 AM
Posted by bistiza on 3/27/2013 10:17:00 AM (view original):
Well, we live in a secular country with a specific constitutional amendment prohibiting the establishment of a religion.

That's just it - we do NOT live in a secular country at all, except in the dreams of atheists. Most people believe in some higher power, and the number of people who follow most individual religions is more than the number who are atheist or secular.

Beyond that, the constitutional amendment prohibits establishment of a religion and prohibits limiting the free exercise thereof. The point is to provide people with freedom to worship as they so choose, not to limit them.
But you don't have the freedom to conscript public buildings, especially authoritative ones like courthouses, to display your religious beliefs. That's an infringement on the rights of others.
 
It's not an infringement at all, provided you also have equal rights to post your own beliefs in the same places.

Prohibiting everyone from any displays isn't equality - it favors the agendas of atheists, and that's what they want.
Infringing upon your rights should be refusing to let you drink from the same water fountain or use the same bathroom, refusing to serve you because you wear a turban, kicking your *** because you like other dudes, arresting you because you have a cross on your lapel.
Absolutely agree 100 percent.

If you are offended or feel like your rights were infringed upon because you had to look at a statue or an inscription that doesn't personally match your religious beliefs, then you need to get over yourself, get a life, and find something to do that doesn't involve whining like a *****.



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That's just it - we do NOT live in a secular country at all, except in the dreams of atheists. Most people believe in some higher power, and the number of people who follow most individual religions is more than the number who are atheist or secular.

But our government is secular.

It's not an infringement at all, provided you also have equal rights to post your own beliefs in the same places.

But everyone doesn't have equal access. The courthouse (or whatever public building) is choosing what they put up and they always choose a Christian symbol. 

3/27/2013 1:10 PM
But our government is secular.

The government simply doesn't officially endorse any particular religion. It also doesn't officially endorse a lack of religion. This is because the government is an entity, not a human being.
But everyone doesn't have equal access. The courthouse (or whatever public building) is choosing what they put up and they always choose a Christian symbol.


So then give everyone equal access as far as religion is concerned. Put restrictions only on things that are equal, such as size or number of displays, and only censor what is on them in terms of eliminating profanity and the like.

By banning everything, you're effectively endorsing atheism, since it believes in nothing and you're permitting nothing.


3/27/2013 2:38 PM (edited)
Posted by bistiza on 3/27/2013 1:10:00 PM (view original):
But our government is secular.

The government simply doesn't officially endorse any particular religion. It also doesn't officially endorse a lack of religion. This is because the government is an entity, not a human being.
But everyone doesn't have equal access. The courthouse (or whatever public building) is choosing what they put up and they always choose a Christian symbol.


So then give everyone equal access as far as religion is concerned. Put restrictions only on things that are equal, such as size or number of displays, and only censor what is on them in terms of eliminating profanity and the like.

By banning everything, you're effectively endorsing atheism, since it believes in nothing and you're permitting nothing.


Our government is prohibited by the Constitution from endorsing any religion. The government and its properties, agencies, and laws can't be religious.

Lack of religious symbols is an endorsement of nothing. The way it should be.
3/27/2013 1:56 PM
Government agencies have been throwing Christmas parties since the beginning of government.

Is that OK?
3/27/2013 2:08 PM
What about Federal holidays?

Government agencies shut down for religious holidays.  

Unconstitutional?
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