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So then the bakery that refused to honor the pastor's cake request should also be considered having been discriminatory?
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Are you badlucking me by answering my question with a question?
5/15/2015 9:07 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2015 8:43:00 AM (view original):
OK, why are they refusing service?   Because it's for a GAY marriage.  

What if my religious belief is that biracial marriages are a sin?    OK to refuse?   And don't tell me "There is no religion that believes that" because you're not telling me how to celebrate my religion.   Or would you tell me how/what I can worship?
I think it is a straw man that doesn't exist, but if it were actually a religious belief and you were otherwise not discriminatory towards either race, then sure you should not be forced to participate in that which goes against your religious views.

Now what about my question?

The pastor that was refused. Was that bakery being discriminatory or not?

5/15/2015 9:13 AM
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Fair enough.   You're way wrong but at least you're sticking with wrong argument.

Yes, refusing service because you don't agree with the message should be discrimination by the letter of the law.   However, I think there's some subset of law that allows for refusing "inflammatory" messages to be displayed.    That message shouldn't apply but, if a guy wearing a Nazi uni asked for a cake to be made stating "Death to all Jews", I'm sure he could be refused and the law would stand behind the business.

5/15/2015 9:16 AM
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I also assume a bakery could refuse to make a cake shaped like a giant ****. 

Again, I don't have a problem with a bakery refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding.   But, under the current law, that's discrimination.
5/15/2015 9:19 AM
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How is it wrong? You are welcoming of the biracial couple in your business. You serve them every day, and have never been anything but kind and friendly to them.

What you refuse to do is participate in that which goes against your religious beliefs. There are plenty of other places that will gladly bake your marble wedding cake, why should I be forced to do so?

It is absurd.

5/15/2015 9:20 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2015 9:19:00 AM (view original):
I also assume a bakery could refuse to make a cake shaped like a giant ****. 

Again, I don't have a problem with a bakery refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding.   But, under the current law, that's discrimination.
So now it is OK to discriminate against *****?
5/15/2015 9:21 AM
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Welcoming someone into your business and then refusing to serve them doesn't sound very welcoming.

5/15/2015 9:22 AM
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The law allows you to discriminate against a lot of things. 

It's almost like the saying about pornography.    "I can't describe it but I know it when I see it." 
5/15/2015 9:24 AM
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But you do serve them. You serve them anything and everything EXCEPT that marble wedding cake.

How is it OK to refuse to make a **** cake then?

Just some things are OK to be offended by but others aren't?

Because that's what is being put forth here.

We the GOV'T will tell you what is and isn't offensive to you.

Really?

5/15/2015 9:25 AM
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I get the point that mchales is trying to make, but it's a slippery slope.

Personally, I think it should be a free market situation, let the market sort itself out.

If Joe's Bakery prefers not to sell cakes for gay weddings, there are plenty of other bakeries that will.  Gays will stop buying their baked goods at Joe's, and there will be some percentage of the straight population that will also stop buying from Joe's as a matter of principle.  If the market causes Joe's to lose enough business, he will have to either change his business model to start attracting back gay customers, or go out of business.

Trying to force people to do something against their will through legislation is not a good way to go.  People will comply with the laws only because they are forced to comply, not by their own choice.  That harbors resentment, and resentment is not the best way to foster real and sincere change.

5/15/2015 9:30 AM (edited)
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TRUE CHRISTIANS WOULDN'T SERVE DIVORCEES, ADULTERERS OR ANY SINNERS
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If Joe's Bakery prefers not to sell cakes for biracial weddings, there are plenty of other bakeries that will. Biracial couples will stop buying their baked goods at Joe's, and there will be some percentage of the white population that will also stop buying from Joe's. If the market causes Joe's to lose enough business, he will have to either change his business model to start catering to biracial customers, or go out of business.
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It is truly remarkable that it could be called a slippery slope.

That is due to the very carefully orchestrated brain washing that has gone on for the last 30+ years.

I mean really it couldn't be any more clear.

Discrimination is "You're gay? Well we don't serve gays here"

That is clearly NOT the issue at hand here. You are saying "who cares that you haven't ever been discriminatory to them in the past, you are refusing them service NOW, so therefore you are discriminating. I mean it's not like they asked you to bake a cake with a ****, or a swastika on it. Cause you know that'd be fine to refuse".

5/15/2015 9:33 AM
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Posted by bronxcheer on 5/15/2015 9:30:00 AM (view original):
TRUE CHRISTIANS WOULDN'T SERVE DIVORCEES, ADULTERERS OR ANY SINNERS
Yeah that's why Jesus was constantly accused by the Jewish religious leaders of being a "friend to sinners".

Constantly eating and associating with them.


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