What if you put up this sign?

Posted by mchales_army on 5/13/2015 4:34:00 PM (view original):
Mark my words, if the supreme court comes down with a decision in favor of gay marriage and forcing it on all of the states, in very quick order you will see what the agenda really is all about.

They will systematically go after Christian owned businesses, and file law suit after law suit.

If someone says "I will not serve your kind, get out of my store" THAT is discrimination.
If someone says "I will gladly sell you anything we have in the store on any day, thanks for coming in, but if you ask me to make you a wedding cake for your gay wedding, I will have to decline." That is NOT discrimination, yet that will be the basis of 100s of law suits by the end of the year.

The two circumstances are very different but they will try to convince the courts that they are not different in any way.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/13/2015 4:37:00 PM (view original):

What if you put up this sign?

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/13/2015 4:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mchales_army on 5/13/2015 4:34:00 PM (view original):
Mark my words, if the supreme court comes down with a decision in favor of gay marriage and forcing it on all of the states, in very quick order you will see what the agenda really is all about.

They will systematically go after Christian owned businesses, and file law suit after law suit.

If someone says "I will not serve your kind, get out of my store" THAT is discrimination.
If someone says "I will gladly sell you anything we have in the store on any day, thanks for coming in, but if you ask me to make you a wedding cake for your gay wedding, I will have to decline." That is NOT discrimination, yet that will be the basis of 100s of law suits by the end of the year.

The two circumstances are very different but they will try to convince the courts that they are not different in any way.

I will admit that this is the same argument the NRA uses.

"If they take our Uzis, they'll take our hunting rifles eventually!!!"

It's a poor argument even if there is some merit.     It's just not something that will happen in present day America.  Or near future America.

Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2015 3:52:00 PM (view original):
Ok, I can back down on that. War is what I want to avoid. If you think having a bunch of dudes hanging out at a military base but not actively fighting anyone is a good idea, fine.

Posted by mchales_army on 5/13/2015 4:34:00 PM (view original):
Mark my words, if the supreme court comes down with a decision in favor of gay marriage and forcing it on all of the states, in very quick order you will see what the agenda really is all about.

They will systematically go after Christian owned businesses, and file law suit after law suit.

If someone says "I will not serve your kind, get out of my store" THAT is discrimination.
If someone says "I will gladly sell you anything we have in the store on any day, thanks for coming in, but if you ask me to make you a wedding cake for your gay wedding, I will have to decline." That is NOT discrimination, yet that will be the basis of 100s of law suits by the end of the year.

The two circumstances are very different but they will try to convince the courts that they are not different in any way.

Posted by tecwrg on 5/13/2015 4:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2015 3:52:00 PM (view original):
Ok, I can back down on that. War is what I want to avoid. If you think having a bunch of dudes hanging out at a military base but not actively fighting anyone is a good idea, fine.

To clarify:

Nobody wants Americans at war in the Middle East, or anywhere else for that matter, other than the people who stand to profit from the war machine.

But it's utterly foolish to take military action, or at least the threat of military action, off the table as an option when it comes to protecting America's interests or national security.

Many on the left seem to not understand this.  They seem to think that vigorous finger wagging and stern words should be more than sufficient to handle any such situation.

Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2015 4:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mchales_army on 5/13/2015 4:34:00 PM (view original):
Mark my words, if the supreme court comes down with a decision in favor of gay marriage and forcing it on all of the states, in very quick order you will see what the agenda really is all about.

They will systematically go after Christian owned businesses, and file law suit after law suit.

If someone says "I will not serve your kind, get out of my store" THAT is discrimination.
If someone says "I will gladly sell you anything we have in the store on any day, thanks for coming in, but if you ask me to make you a wedding cake for your gay wedding, I will have to decline." That is NOT discrimination, yet that will be the basis of 100s of law suits by the end of the year.

The two circumstances are very different but they will try to convince the courts that they are not different in any way.

What does and does not constitute discrimination by businesses against gays is not on trial. (But I am curious, if a business owner told a Christian couple that they wouldn't bake a cake for their wedding because they don't agree with Christianity, would you think that is OK?)

The question the court's facing is whether or not the government has the right to tell gays they aren't allowed to marry. That's a much easier question to answer.

Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2015 4:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 5/13/2015 4:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2015 3:52:00 PM (view original):
Ok, I can back down on that. War is what I want to avoid. If you think having a bunch of dudes hanging out at a military base but not actively fighting anyone is a good idea, fine.

To clarify:

Nobody wants Americans at war in the Middle East, or anywhere else for that matter, other than the people who stand to profit from the war machine.

But it's utterly foolish to take military action, or at least the threat of military action, off the table as an option when it comes to protecting America's interests or national security.

Many on the left seem to not understand this.  They seem to think that vigorous finger wagging and stern words should be more than sufficient to handle any such situation.

No one is taking it off of the table. If there is a legitimate reason to go to war, fine. But, right now, there isn't one.

Posted by mchales_army on 5/13/2015 4:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/13/2015 4:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mchales_army on 5/13/2015 4:34:00 PM (view original):
Mark my words, if the supreme court comes down with a decision in favor of gay marriage and forcing it on all of the states, in very quick order you will see what the agenda really is all about.

They will systematically go after Christian owned businesses, and file law suit after law suit.

If someone says "I will not serve your kind, get out of my store" THAT is discrimination.
If someone says "I will gladly sell you anything we have in the store on any day, thanks for coming in, but if you ask me to make you a wedding cake for your gay wedding, I will have to decline." That is NOT discrimination, yet that will be the basis of 100s of law suits by the end of the year.

The two circumstances are very different but they will try to convince the courts that they are not different in any way.

I will admit that this is the same argument the NRA uses.

"If they take our Uzis, they'll take our hunting rifles eventually!!!"

It's a poor argument even if there is some merit.     It's just not something that will happen in present day America.  Or near future America.

It has already happened.

They are very clever, and well coached.

I can promise you they already have targets listed for when the time comes.

Posted by tecwrg on 5/13/2015 4:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2015 4:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 5/13/2015 4:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2015 3:52:00 PM (view original):
Ok, I can back down on that. War is what I want to avoid. If you think having a bunch of dudes hanging out at a military base but not actively fighting anyone is a good idea, fine.

To clarify:

Nobody wants Americans at war in the Middle East, or anywhere else for that matter, other than the people who stand to profit from the war machine.

But it's utterly foolish to take military action, or at least the threat of military action, off the table as an option when it comes to protecting America's interests or national security.

Many on the left seem to not understand this.  They seem to think that vigorous finger wagging and stern words should be more than sufficient to handle any such situation.

No one is taking it off of the table. If there is a legitimate reason to go to war, fine. But, right now, there isn't one.

Is anybody here saying we should be going to war in the Middle East?

Posted by tecwrg on 5/13/2015 4:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2015 4:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mchales_army on 5/13/2015 4:34:00 PM (view original):
Mark my words, if the supreme court comes down with a decision in favor of gay marriage and forcing it on all of the states, in very quick order you will see what the agenda really is all about.

They will systematically go after Christian owned businesses, and file law suit after law suit.

If someone says "I will not serve your kind, get out of my store" THAT is discrimination.
If someone says "I will gladly sell you anything we have in the store on any day, thanks for coming in, but if you ask me to make you a wedding cake for your gay wedding, I will have to decline." That is NOT discrimination, yet that will be the basis of 100s of law suits by the end of the year.

The two circumstances are very different but they will try to convince the courts that they are not different in any way.

What does and does not constitute discrimination by businesses against gays is not on trial. (But I am curious, if a business owner told a Christian couple that they wouldn't bake a cake for their wedding because they don't agree with Christianity, would you think that is OK?)

The question the court's facing is whether or not the government has the right to tell gays they aren't allowed to marry. That's a much easier question to answer.

if a business owner told a Christian couple that they wouldn't bake a cake for their wedding because they don't agree with Christianity, would you think that is OK?

I would think it's OK.  That's a poor business model that's not going to be sustainable in the long run.  The market itself would put that business owner out of business.  No need to legislate against it.

Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2015 4:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 5/13/2015 4:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2015 4:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 5/13/2015 4:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 5/13/2015 3:52:00 PM (view original):
Ok, I can back down on that. War is what I want to avoid. If you think having a bunch of dudes hanging out at a military base but not actively fighting anyone is a good idea, fine.

To clarify:

Nobody wants Americans at war in the Middle East, or anywhere else for that matter, other than the people who stand to profit from the war machine.

But it's utterly foolish to take military action, or at least the threat of military action, off the table as an option when it comes to protecting America's interests or national security.

Many on the left seem to not understand this.  They seem to think that vigorous finger wagging and stern words should be more than sufficient to handle any such situation.

No one is taking it off of the table. If there is a legitimate reason to go to war, fine. But, right now, there isn't one.

Is anybody here saying we should be going to war in the Middle East?

If you aren't, I guess no one is. Good job, we agree.