Rule V Leg #47 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Angels and Twins have won recently), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on.  Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete.  We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible.  Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-2014) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first).  Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data.  Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and 2014
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season.  The scumbag finally won a couple of championships.  Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

New Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him at least four drafts)
1/20/2015 8:29 AM
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Player Draft Order.  Franchises that have been taken are marked in RED.

Worst-to-Best rankings (removing best & worst seasons)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 6 364 508 0.4174
2 D'backs 11 769 1013 0.4315
3 Tigers 18 1304 1612 0.4472
4 Pirates 17 1286 1468 0.4670
5 White Sox 8 610 686 0.4707
6 Rockies 12 932 1012 0.4794
7 Rangers 18 1412 1505 0.4841
8 Twins 22 1732 1833 0.4858
9 Angels 17 1342 1412 0.4873
10 Blue Jays 24 1911 1978 0.4914
11 Orioles 22 1764 1801 0.4948
12 Padres 22 1772 1792 0.4972
13 Brewers 23 1863 1866 0.4996
14 Expos 28 2268 2271 0.4997
15 Marlins 19 1541 1539 0.5003
16 Mariners 27 2198 2177 0.5024
17 Phillies 28 2286 2253 0.5036
18 Indians 28 2286 2251 0.5039
19 Mets 26 2136 2077 0.5070
20 Cubs 20 1643 1597 0.5071
21 Braves 27 2222 2152 0.5080
22 Giants 27 2224 2151 0.5083
23 Reds 22 1819 1746 0.5102
24 Red Sox 28 2317 2220 0.5107
25 Royals 25 2084 1967 0.5144
26 Cardinals 28 2364 2173 0.5210
27 Yankees 24 2050 1838 0.5273
28 Dodgers 27 2333 2042 0.5333
29 A's 28 2433 2104 0.5363
30 Astros 28 2480 2057 0.5466

1/23/2015 11:19 AM (edited)
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Franchise Draft Order (timed WEDNESDAY 1/21)
  1. deathdealer 50-112 .309                          Los Angeles Dodgers^
  2. twfan 70-92 .432                                        Minnesota Twins^
  3. Robin4 73-89 .451                                    Cincinnati Reds^
  4. koyunlu 74-88 .458                                    Houston Astros^
  5. mussopini23 75-87 .463                         St. Louis Cardinals^
  6. pumpkinmcp 75-87 .463                          Chicago White Sox^
  7. tjefferson 77-85 .475                                 San Francisco Giants^
  8. spikeboots 77-85 .475                              Toronto Blue Jays^
  9. alice 79-83 .488                                          San Diego Padres^
  10. llcoach 80-82 .494                                      Baltimore Orioles
  11. ff09 80-82 .494                                            Detroit Tigers^
  12. dvorr80 80-82 .494                                     Atlanta Braves^
  13. alleyviper 80-82 .494                                  Chicago Cubs^
  14. sinfonian11 84-78                                       Boston Red Sox^
  15. rbow923 88-74 .543                                   New York Yankees^
  16. shaybee 88-74 .543                                    Los Angeles Angels^
  17. spoonfed 81-81 .500*                                Florida/Miami Marlins^
  18. tridentric 81-81 .500*                                  Oakland Athletics^
  19. marlowe 89-73 .549*                                  Cleveland Indians^
  20. dilligafdbp 90-72 .556*                               Philadelphia Phillies^
  21. buddhagamer 94-68 .580*                        Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals^
  22. specsman 96-66 .593*                               Pittsburgh Pirates
  23. trenchfoot 89-73 .549%                              Seattle Mariners^
  24. mllama54 94-68 .580&                              New York Mets^
^ third round keeper sent
*playoff team
% WS runner-up
& WS champion

Division alignment

NL East: Expos/Nationals, Marlins, Mets, Phillies
NL Central: Pirates, Cubs, Cardinals, Reds
NL West: Braves, Dodgers, Giants, Padres
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles, Blue Jays
AL Central: Twins, Tigers, White Sox, Indians
AL West: Astros, Angels, Athletics, Mariners

Owner list for sitemailing: deathdealer;  twfan; Robin4; koyunlu; mussopini23; pumpkinmcp; tjefferson; spikeboots; alice; llcoach; ff09; dvorr80; alleyviper; sinfonian11; rbow923; shaybee; spoonfed; tridentric; marlowe; dilligafdbp; buddhagamer; specsman; trenchfoot; mllama54
1/30/2015 11:22 AM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule begins Monday 1/26)                              Off the Board
  1. ff09 - Detroit Tigers:  Madison Bumgarner - SFG
  2. specsman - Pittsburgh Pirates: Johnny Cueto - CIN
  3. pumpkinmcp - Chicago White Sox: Orel Hershiser - LAD
  4. twfan - Minnesota Twins: JR Richard - HOU
  5. shaybee - Los Angeles Angels: Larry Dierker - HOU                                     Houston Astros
  6. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Hideo Nomo - LAD                                       Los Angeles Dodgers
  7. llcoach - Baltimore Orioles: Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS
  8. alice - San Diego Padres: Ichiro Suzuki - SEA
  9. buddhagamer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Catfish Hunter - NYY
  10. spoonfed - Florida/Miami Marlins: Pascual Perez - MON/WSH
  11. trenchfoot - Seattle Mariners: Chris Hoiles - BAL
  12. dilligafdbp - Philadelphia Phillies: Manny Ramirez - CLE
  13. marlowe - Cleveland Indians: Fritz Peterson - NYY                                        New York Yankees
  14. mllama54 - New York Mets: Brian Giles - PIT
  15. alleyviper - Chicago Cubs: Rico Petrocelli - BOS                                            Boston Red Sox
  16. dvorr80 - Atlanta Braves: Barry Larkin - CIN                                                      Cincinnati Reds
  17. tjefferson - San Francisco Giants: AFTBOAT - STL
  18. Robin4 - Cincinnati Reds: Rich Aurillia - SFG                                                   San Francisco Giants
  19. sinfonian11 - Boston Red Sox: Carlos Delgado - TOR
  20. mussopini23 - St. Louis Cardinals: Rico Carty - ATL
  21. rbow923 - New York Yankees: Bruce Sutter - CHC
  22. deathdealer - Los Angeles Dodgers: Craig Kimbrel - ATL                             Atlanta Braves
  23. tridentric - Oakland Athletics: Yadier Molina - STL                                         St. Louis Cardinals
  24. koyunlu - Houston Astros: Ken Caminiti - SDP
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts Thursday 1/29)                         Off the Board
  1. ff09 - Detroit Tigers: Don Wilson - HOU
  2. specsman - Pittsburgh Pirates: Jared Weaver - LAA
  3. pumpkinmcp - Chicago White Sox: Willie McGee - STL
  4. twfan - Minnesota Twins: Tim Hudson - OAK
  5. shaybee - Los Angeles Angels: Howard Johnson - NYM
  6. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Koji Uehara - BOS
  7. llcoach - Baltimore Orioles: Mariano Rivera - NYY
  8. alice - San Diego Padres: Ozzie Smith - STL                                                                 St. Louis Cardinals
  9. buddhagamer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Carl Yastrzemski - BOS Boston Red Sox
  10. spoonfed - Florida/Miami Marlins: Cole Hamels - PHI
  11. trenchfoot - Seattle Mariners: Eric Davis - CIN
  12. dilligafdbp - Philadelphia Phillies: Rickey Henderson - NYY                                        New York Yankees
  13. marlowe - Cleveland Indians: Keith Foulke - CHW
  14. mllama54 - New York Mets: Rafael Furcal - LAD
  15. alleyviper - Chicago Cubs: Goose Gossage - PIT                                                         Pittsburgh Pirates
  16. dvorr80 - Atlanta Braves: Willie Stargell - PIT
  17. tjefferson - San Francisco Giants: Carlos Beltran - NYM                                              New York Mets
  18. Robin4 - Cincinnati Reds: CC Sabathia - CLE
  19. sinfonian11 - Boston Red Sox: Rafael Soriano - SEA
  20. mussopini23 - St. Louis Cardinals: Jose Altuve - HOU                                                  Houston Astros
  21. rbow923 - New York Yankees: Kris Medlen - ATL
  22. deathdealer - Los Angeles Dodgers: Gary Sheffield - ATL                                            Atlanta Braves
  23. tridentric - Oakland Athletics: Kevin Mitchell - SFG
  24. koyunlu - Houston Astros: Rick Wilkins - CHC
Player Draft Third Round (timed draft starts Monday 2/2)                                                       Off the Board
  1. ff09 - Detroit Tigers: HWMNBN - CIN
  2. specsman - Pittsburgh Pirates: Hong Chi-Kuo - LAD
  3. pumpkinmcp - Chicago White Sox: Francisco Liriano - MIN
  4. twfan - Minnesota Twins: Omar Vizquel - CLE
  5. shaybee - Los Angeles Angels: Andrew Bailey - OAK
  6. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Jorge Posada - NYY
  7. llcoach - Baltimore Orioles: Jose DeLeon - STL
  8. alice - San Diego Padres: Don Mattingly - NYY                                                           New York Yankees
  9. buddhagamer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Jose Reyes - NYM
  10. spoonfed - Florida/Miami Marlins: John Denny - PHI
  11. trenchfoot - Seattle Mariners: Scott Garrelts - SFG
  12. dilligafdbp - Philadelphia Phillies: Odalis Perez - LAD                                             Los Angeles Dodgers
  13. marlowe - Cleveland Indians: Harmon Killebrew - MIN                                            Minnesota Twins
  14. mllama54 - New York Mets: Lenny Dykstra - PHI                                                     Philadelphia Phillies
  15. alleyviper - Chicago Cubs: Willie Hernandez - DET
  16. dvorr80 - Atlanta Braves: Cesar Cedeno - HOU
  17. tjefferson - San Francisco Giants: Mark McGwire - STL
  18. Robin4 - Cincinnati Reds: Dwight Evans - BOS
  19. sinfonian11 - Boston Red Sox: Juan Guzman - TOR
  20. mussopini23 - St. Louis Cardinals: Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH
  21. rbow923 - New York Yankees: Steve Rogers - MON/WSH                                       Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals.
  22. deathdealer - Los Angeles Dodgers: Andrew Miller - BOS
  23. tridentric - Oakland Athletics: Randy Johnson - HOU                                               Houston Astros
  24. koyunlu - Houston Astros: Carlos Guillen - DET                                                       Detroit Tigers

2/3/2015 9:59 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks

ff09 - Detroit Tigers:  Miguel Cabrera, Magglio Ordonez, Alan Trammell, Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, Madison Bumgarner - SFG, Tony Phillips, Don Wilson - HOU, Ivan Rodriguez, HWMNBN - CIN

specsman - Pittsburgh Pirates:  Doug Drabek, Barry Bonds, Jay Bell, Andrew McCutchen, Freddie Sanchez, Johnny Cueto - CIN, Rick Reuschel, Jared Weaver - LAA, Roberto Clemente, Hong Chi-Kuo - LAD

pumpkinmcp - Chicago White Sox:  Dick Allen, Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Wilbur Wood, Chris Sale, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Carlton Fisk, Willie McGee - STL, Daniel Hudson, Francisco Liriano - MIN

twfan - Minnesota Twins:  Johan Santana, Bert Blyleven, Joe Mauer, Kirby Puckett, Rod Carew, JR Richard - HOU, Chuck Knoblauch, Tim Hudson - OAK, Joe Nathan, Omar Vizquel - CLE

shaybee - Los Angeles Angels:  Frank Tanana, Andy Messersmith, Darin Erstad, Bobby Grich, Mike Trout, Larry Dierker - HOU, Mark Texeira, Howard Johnson - NYM, Troy Percival, Andrew Bailey - OAK

spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays:  Jose Bautista, John Olerud, Tony Fernandez, Roger Clemens, Mark Eichhorn, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Roy Halladay, Koji Uehara - BOS, BJ Ryan, Jorge Posada - NYY

llcoach - Baltimore Orioles:  Roberto Alomar, TSMOPPOAT, Melvin Mora, Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer, Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS, Todd Frohwirth, Mariano Rivera - NYY, Andrew Miller, Jose DeLeon - STL

alice - San Diego Padres:  Kevin Brown, Jake Peavy, Randy Jones, Mark Loretta, Tony Gwynn, Ichiro Suzuki - SEA, Cla Meredith, Ozzie Smith - STL, Trevor Hoffman, Don Mattingly - NYY

buddhagamer - Washington Expos/Washington Nationals:  Gary Carter, Jose Vidro, Tim Raines, Pedro Martinez, Tim Burke, Catfish Hunter - NYY, Dennis Martinez, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Jeff Reardon, Jose Reyes - NYM

spoonfed - Florida/Miami Marlins:  Hanley Ramirez, Miguel Cabrera, Gary Sheffield, Kevin Brown, Jose Fernandez, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH, Luis Castillo, Cole Hamels - PHI, Cliff Floyd, John Denny - PHI

trenchfoot - Seattle Mariners:  Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Edgar Martinez, Chris Hoiles - BAL, Bret Boone, Eric Davis - CIN, Cliff Lee, Scott Garrelts - SFG

dilligafdbp - Philadelphia Phillies:  Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Manny Ramirez - CLE, Jimmy Rollins, Rickey Henderson - NYY, Bobby Abreu, Odalis Perez - LAD

marlowe - Cleveland Indians:  Gaylord Perry, Albert Belle, Kenny Lofton, Roberto Alomar, Victor Martinez, Fritz Peterson - NYY, Sam McDowell, Keith Foulke - CHW, Jim Thome, Harmon Killebrew - MIN

mllama54 - New York Mets:  Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Pedro Martinez, Matt Harvey, John Olerud, Brian Giles - PIT,  David Wright, Rafael Furcal - LAD, Edgardo Alfonzo, Lenny Dykstra - PHI

alleyviper - Chicago Cubs:  Greg Maddux, Jake Arrieta, Sammy Sosa, Derrek Lee, Ryne Sandberg, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Rich Harden, Goose Gossage - PIT, Aramis Ramirez, Willie Hernandez - DET

dvorr80 - Atlanta Braves:  Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kevin Millwood, Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Barry Larkin - CIN, Javy Lopez, Willie Stargell - PIT, Billy Wagner, Cesar Cedeno - HOU

tjefferson - San Francisco Giants:  Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Juan Marichal, Tim Lincecum, Jason Schmidt, AFTBOAT - STL, Jeff Kent, Carlos Beltran - NYM, Buster Posey, Mark McGwire - STL

Robin4 - Cincinnati Reds:  Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, George Foster, Tom Seaver, Jose Rijo, Rich Aurillia - SFG, Joey Votto, CC Sabathia - CLE, Aroldis Chapman, Dwight Evans - BOS

sinfonian11 - Boston Red Sox:  Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Derek Lowe, Wade Boggs, Fred Lynn, Carlos Delgado - TOR, Nomar Garciaparra, Rafael Soriano - SEA, Carlton Fisk, Juan Guzman - TOR

mussopini23 - St. Louis Cardinals:  Albert Pujols, Joe Torre, Chris Carpenter, John Tudor, Bob Gibson, Rico Carty - ATL, Adam Wainwright, Jose Altuve - HOU, Ted Simmons, Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH

rbow923 - New York Yankees:  Ron Guidry, Derek Jeter, Robinson Cano, Alex Rodriguez, Paul O'Neill, Bruce Sutter - CHC, Dave Righetti, Kris Medlen - ATL, Dellin Betances, Steve Rogers - MON/WSH

deathdealer - Los Angeles Dodgers:  Mike Piazza, Don Sutton, Clayton Kershaw, Kevin Brown, Fernando Valenzuela, Craig Kimbrel - ATL, Adrian Beltre, Gary Sheffield - ATL, Eric Gagne, Andrew Miller - BOS

tridentric - Oakland Athletics:  Jason Giambi, Rickey Henderson, Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Mike Norris, Yadier Molina - STL, Dennis Eckersley, Kevin Mitchell - SFG, Josh Donaldson, Randy Johnson - HOU

koyunlu - Houston Astros:  Jeff Bagwell, Lance Berkman, Craig Biggio, Mike Scott, Roger Clemens, Ken Caminiti - SDP,  TSMOPOAT, Rick Wilkins - CHC, Billy Wagner, Carlos Guillen - DET

2/3/2015 10:00 AM (edited)
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I have posted draft times for the franchise draft, but please note that those times are for tomorrow, Wednesday 1/21.  We are drafting untimed today.
1/20/2015 12:09 PM
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Dodgers  Keepers Sent

Sitemailing

1/20/2015 6:23 PM (edited)
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well I finish last with good teams, so it should be no problem to finish last with lousy teams.

Give me the Twinkies
1/20/2015 5:26 PM
twfan
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oh and please don't give me rbow in my division. thank you Lord
1/20/2015 5:27 PM
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I'll try the Reds
1/20/2015 7:34 PM
sinfonian11
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Just FYI, koyunlu and pumpkinmcp haven't opened their sitemails about the franchise portion of the draft.  I seem to recall that a couple of you know them off the site.  Could you let them know to check in?  Thanks.
1/21/2015 8:40 AM
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I'm here & will wait for koyunlu
1/21/2015 10:12 AM
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Jefferson gave us a heads up. I'm ready and will give koy some time.
1/21/2015 10:32 AM
sinfonian11
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Sounds good. Thanks guys.
1/21/2015 11:09 AM
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I actually have to head out, but I sitemailed my picks to sinfonian as technically the 11 o'clock people are eligible but I don't want to screw over musso.
1/21/2015 11:16 AM
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