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7/5/2013 1:27 AM
http://whatifsports.com/mlb-l/playerprofile.asp?ID=36174225&pl=0&type=1

On pace for almost 60 minus plays, yikes!
7/5/2013 3:05 PM
Whats the cap?  Stud pitching and pitchers (minus hits) parks are a great way to bring out the ugly in D- range guys.
7/5/2013 3:15 PM
$90M, I don't think he's ever had 40 minus plays in a season on one of my teams b4 -much less on pace for almost 60-.
7/5/2013 4:21 PM
Players are supposedly capped at +/- 30 plays, but I wonder what that is based relative to?
7/5/2013 5:36 PM
Posted by boogerlips on 7/5/2013 4:21:00 PM (view original):
Players are supposedly capped at +/- 30 plays, but I wonder what that is based relative to?
Why do you say that?  I am pretty sure I have had more than 30 + plays and more than 30 - plays.  The latter occurred in one of your leagues.

7/5/2013 7:59 PM
I say that because that's what we were told in the last update, and "capped" doesn't imply that once a fielder hits 30 the SIM takes away the possibility of another anymore than the SIM taking away the possibility of a 30HR hitter hitting 31 or 32 or 33...
7/6/2013 2:51 PM
Posted by boogerlips on 7/5/2013 7:59:00 PM (view original):
I say that because that's what we were told in the last update, and "capped" doesn't imply that once a fielder hits 30 the SIM takes away the possibility of another anymore than the SIM taking away the possibility of a 30HR hitter hitting 31 or 32 or 33...
What does capped mean then?  Are they saying that a player's chance of a plus or minus play under "average" conditions is capped to target ~30 over 1400 innings?
7/6/2013 3:02 PM
That is exactly what they said.
7/6/2013 3:05 PM
That's based on the best and worst range factors amongst guys having the position as their primary, though.  I've never checked, it's possible HoJo's range is so bad that he falls below the normal bottom of the D- range...

EDIT: no, I just checked, and there are primary SS's with worse range than HoJo.  Although nobody with 400 PAs, and only 3 guys over 300, 1 over 310.
7/6/2013 3:13 PM
The worst RRF of any guy with SS as his primary position and 500 PAs is 1934 Woody English with a 3.06.  That is SUBSTANTIALLY better than HoJo's 2.65.  Interestingly, English is an A/A+ 3rd baseman.

The 2nd worst RRF of anybody with 500+ PAs is 1890 Ray Irv's 3.71, and there are only 6 guys below 4.  So it may in fact be reasonable to assume that HoJo falls outside of the range of RRFs that were used to set the curve for +/- plays at SS.  His expectation value for - plays could well be north of 30.  The average in the Performance History is 29, but it's tough to understand that.  It lists 145 games played at SS as average, but the sum of all the listed defensive games played is way too high, and until quite recently moving guys mid-game was impossible, so I have no idea how many games he's actually averaging 29 - plays in.  Maybe it's 145, maybe it's really more like 110 or 120 because of some teams playing him at 3B or somewhere else, which apparently happens...
7/6/2013 5:09 PM
Posted by dahsdebater on 7/6/2013 3:02:00 PM (view original):
That is exactly what they said.
What is exactly what they said?  What I wrote or what Boog wrote?
7/6/2013 7:11 PM
Close to what you wrote, zubinsum... They said with the update that on the extremes we should see ~30 as the max for +/- plays for a season.
8/3/2013 5:31 PM
finished the regular season with 49 minus plays
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