2/12/2013 7:22 PM (edited)
THIS LEAGUE WILL NOT BEGIN DRAFTING UNTIL SEASON 2 of the PPL league is underway. This will be late March or early April.


With the development of this league I aimed to achieve the following.

A.      Unique and new progressive experience
B.      The ability to continue perpetually without a decline in the player pool .. I.E. we don’t just draft all the good players at once and watch the league die 8 years later
C.      A REASON NOT TO TANK BESIDES PENALTIES. That’s right.. the draft is there to help bad teams.. but good teams will get LEGENDARY players faster. You have to try to win.. if you want to win!
All this said.. the rules look scary. I wish we could all meet in a room and talk through them. I tend to err on the side of writing too much just to avoid questions later. At the heart, it’s a pretty simple process.
 
Finally, a league is only as good as its owners. The league begins with a core of 10 owners that have joined via invitation. These guys include the commissioners of just about every other progressive league currently running plus a couple simlegends. We have a great start towards something great here.
 
Wheel of Hoops Progressive - 50 mil cap 

BIG IDEA ONE: The Wheel of Hoops History
The players in the WIS database will be divided into 4 Ages.
The First Age: All players who make their WIS debut before or during 1984-85 season.
The Second Age: All players debuting from 1985-86 to 1994-1995
The Third Age: All players debuting from 1995-96 to 2004-05.
The Fourth Age: All players debuting from 2005-06 and beyond.
 
These players will be introduced to the league through large drafts every 5 seasons.  The rules for the draft order for these drafts will be explained in detail below. The idea is that basically the league can continue perpetually, every player from the first age will be retired by the time the first age comes back again (well, unless you take a guy that plays more than 20 years ha, I think only Kevin Willis and The Chief did this and they are both unavailable for drafting anyways).
 
 However, it is important to note that NOT ALL PLAYERS WILL BE AVAILABLE through this drafting process!
 This leads to..

BIG IDEA TWO: The 60 Hoops Heroes
The 60 players with the largest career WIS Salary are not bound to the Wheel of Hoops like  all other players. They WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE VIA THE TRADITIONAL DRAFTING PROCESS. Instead they will be introduced to the league slowly over the years (at a rate of 3 per year). There are many rules regarding these players.. their introduction, their retirement.. etc. This is perhaps the most innovative part of this league. The gist of it is that teams earn points based on their performance.. and these points will be used to bid on the legends when they become available. However, all teams will eventually get some of these legends.


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A few people have had trouble with the rules but at its heart what we have here is...

A perpetual progressive league where some of the biggest stars are hard to come by.. putting an emphasis on guys we don't see in leagues like the UPL/PCL/PPL.. meaning our teams will be closer to what we see in traditional progressives. But, also a league where the offseasons have more going on than the traditional draft process. Additionally, since the best players are not in the drafts.. this severely reduces the interest in tanking. The drafts will however, still provide some help for bad teams and give them a chance to turn it around.

I will post the full rules at a later date. All of the owner's in so far have had a chance to read over and comment on the rules. There are lots of little details about how the legends get added.. bidding.. drafts.. etc.. .. but let's not over complicate things for now. Sign up below if interested.
2/19/2013 3:42 PM (edited)
Wheel of Hoops Progressive  - WOOPS!
BIG IDEA ONE: The Wheel of Hoops History
The players in the WIS database will be divided into 4 Ages.
The First Age: All players who make their WIS debut before or during 1984-85 season.
The Second Age: All players debuting from 1985-86 to 1994-1995
The Third Age: All players debuting from 1995-96 to 2004-05.
The Fourth Age: All players debuting from 2005-06 and beyond.
 
These players will be introduced to the league through large drafts every 5 seasons.  The rules for the draft order for these drafts will be explained in detail below. The idea is that basically the league can continue perpetually, every player from the first age will be retired by the time the first age comes back again (well, unless you take a guy that plays more than 20 years ha, I think only Kevin Willis and The Chief did this and they are both unavailable for drafting anyways).
 
 However, it is important to note that NOT ALL PLAYERS WILL BE AVAILABLE through this drafting process!
 This leads to..
BIG IDEA TWO: The 60 Hoops Heroes
The 60 players with the largest career WIS Salary are not bound to the Wheel of Hoops like  all other players. They WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE VIA THE TRADITIONAL DRAFTING PROCESS. Instead they will be introduced to the league slowly over the years (at a rate of 3 per year). There are many rules regarding these players.. their introduction, their retirement.. etc. This is perhaps the most innovative part of this league. Check out the full rules below.
 
THE ACTUAL RULES:
I.                    BASICS
A.      50 million Cap
B.      No Clones in the league
C.      Players progress 1 season at a time as in a normal progressive.
D.      IR is available for any players with missing seasons.
E.       When a player reaches their last sim-season they retire until the Wheel turns back to their age again.
II.                  Initial Draft
A.      Random Order determined by NY LOTTERY NUMBERS.
B.      ABBABABAB
C.      9 rounds only
D.      All players who debuted during or before 1984-1985 available with the exception of the 34 players from this era that are Heroes of the Horn.
E.       Players may start their career in either their 1st, 2nd or 3rd available sim-season.
F.       The final 3 players must be sub-million dollar players who have never been drafted in the league and who played before 1984-1985. These players cannot be kept and do not progress. They are just roster filler.
G.     Skipping – no owner can be skipped twice in the initial draft.
H.      No Trades During the Initial draft.
III.                Regular Drafts (drafts after seasons 1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,16,17,18,19,21,22,23,24.. etc)
A.      No new players added to the draft pool.
B.      Newly drafted players can start their careers in either their 1st, 2nd, or 3rd available simseason.
C.      The worst 6 teams have the power to draft players  (new and previously cut players) from ANY season chronologically after the season they have progressed to.
D.      Players who were cut just prior to the draft may be drafted only in the season they have progressed to. These players progress in the free-agency pool until the end of their age. At that point they retire until their age comes up again.
E.       Draft order is in reverse order of regular season finish with usual tiebreakers. There is no lottery for these drafts. The only exception to the draft order rule is that the league champion will draft last.
F.       There will be as many rounds as required by the owner with the smallest roster. Recall, that only 9 players are required for a roster to be full (3 scrubs are undrafted)
IV.                New Age Drafts and the Dawning of a New Age
A.      Every 5 years a new age dawns and new players are added to the draft pool. I.E. after year 5 the players from the 2nd Age will be added. After year 10 the players from the 3rd age will be added. After year 15 the players from the 4th age will be added. After year 20 the players from the 1st Age will be added again.
B.      Any players from the previous age that are not on a roster prior to the draft are retired until their age comes up again. Any players from the prior age now automatically retire whenever they are cut.
C.      The draft order for these drafts will be determined based on performance over the prior 5 years according to the following formula  1* Season 1 W’s + 2* Season 2 W’s + 3* Season 3Ws + 4* Season 4Ws + 5*Season 5 W’s + 100*Number of Championships. Draft order will be in reverse order of this total. Normal season 5 tiebreakers will be used if necessary.
D.      The 3 scrub players must be from the current age.
E.       No owner may be skipped twice in a 5 year draft.
F.       There will be as many rounds as required by the owner with the smallest roster.
G.     No trading of  New Age Draft Picks.
V.                  Heroes of Hoops
A.      The Heroes of Hoops will be introduced 3 players at a time each season that the league continues.
B.      Each hero will have a time slot in the NY Lottery assigned to him. Each year the 3 highest number sums will be added to the league. Tiebreakers will be done by comparing numbers left to right taking first larger number. The hero lottery will be held during the league finals.
C.      Heroes will be awarded via a point system and an offseason auction. GOOD teams will have the advantage in getting these players, though ALL teams will get some of them. These Points are explained in VI.
D.      Heroes are NOT TRADEABLE.
E.       Heroes must remain on your roster for at least 1 season.
F.       Heroes go back to the reservation when they are cut or retire and will be available to come back into the league.
G.     There will be 60 heroes of hoops to begin with. These will be the only heroes through the first 20 years of the league. At that point I will add new heroes if necessary. Anyone with a career salary above the current floor of 81,413,866 will be added at that time. It looks like Elton Brand and Pau Gasol will probably be the next Heroes added. Though honestly if WIS is operating in 20 seasons I’ll be surprised lol.
VI.                Points and Bidding
A.      Points belong to teams – NOT OWNERS. They transfer to new owners joining the league and do not go with an owner if they switch teams. Owners with 2 teams cannot combine points. Points are not tradeable.
B.      Each team earns points in the following ways
i.                     5 points each season
ii.                   1 point per round of the playoffs reached
iii.                  1 point for winning the title
iv.                 Note this means every team will earn between 5 and 9 points each season.
C.      Owners cannot have over 50 points at the start of a new season.  So you may start a season with 50 points, earn 9 more and go into the offseason with 59 points. This is THE absolute max allowed. If you do not spend points that offseason you will be reduced back to 50.
D.      There will be a 12 hour bidding window for each of the Heroes in the bidding pool. This window will run 8 am EST to 8 PM EST. Players just added that offseason will have a minimum bid of 25 points. All players have a minimum bid of 10 points. Players will be bid on in the following order. Newest players added before oldest players added. Higher career salary before lower career salary. This way you can see if you won a certain player and if you didn’t you can then bid on another player instead.
E.       If two or more owners share the high bid on a Hero, the NY Lottery system will be used to break the tie. Each owner will be assigned a time in the NY Lottery. These times will be between 9pm and 10om EST. We will know the winner of the bid before the end of the bidding day. The higher sum wins the bid. Tiebreaker- first larger number in sequence.
F.       The last is just a comment.. think after 10 years everyone will have earned enough to reach the point cap.. and 30 players will have been introduced.. So everyone should have at least one of these players on their roster at that point (unless they have retired one already). But the better teams may have already had 2! Or they may have had theirs longer.. you really want to try to win!
VII.              Miscellaneous
A.      Offseason trading is allowed. Picks can be traded 1 year in advance for regular season drafts. (Again, you cannot trade picks in the big 5 year drafts).
B.      Cap Violations will be treated nastily. Every owner will be required to submit their roster each offseason and confirm that their salary is under the cap before the draft.
If you go over the cap and have to cut a player during the draft that player is sent back to next year’s draft pool and is frozen in time. Your team is penalized ANY and ALL HERO Points you earn in the upcoming season.
C.      Point penalties will be assigned to teams that miss roster related offseason deadlines by more than 3 days. 1 point penalty for any missed deadline. I will give you at least 1 week’s notice all on relevant deadlines.
VIII.            Season/Offseason-Timeline
1.       New heroes called during league finals
2.       Bidding Windows setup for all heroes within 2 days of the end of the finals.
3.       All heroes are bid on 1 day at a time.
4.       A keeper deadline will be set shortly after the end of the bidding period.
5.       The draft will begin shortly after the keeper deadline.
 

The Original 60 Hoops Heroes:
FirstName LastName
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Karl Malone
Wilt Chamberlain
Moses Malone
Kevin Garnett
Artis Gilmore
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
Julius Erving
Elvin Hayes
Michael Jordan
John Stockton
Tim Duncan
Jason Kidd
Kobe Bryant
Charles Barkley
Oscar Robertson
Robert Parish
Gary Payton
Reggie Miller
Patrick Ewing
Bill Russell
David Robinson
Dirk Nowitzki
Buck Williams
John Havlicek
Scottie Pippen
Ray Allen
Dan Issel
Paul Pierce
Walt Bellamy
Larry Bird
Dikembe Mutombo
Dominique Wilkins
Clyde Drexler
Jerry West
Horace Grant
Allen Iverson
Otis Thorpe
Clifford Robinson
Charles Oakley
Shawn Marion
Magic Johnson
Jack Sikma
Rick Barry
Bob Pettit
Alex English
Vince Carter
Elgin Baylor
Eddie Johnson
George Gervin
Rasheed Wallace
Kevin Willis
Grant Hill
A.C. Green
Nate Thurmond
LeBron James
Steve Nash
Adrian Dantley
Antawn Jamison

2/20/2013 12:33 PM (edited)
in so far

Board of Governors:
1. logain x2
2. dspahlinger*
(would like 2 more members)


Interested:
3.ashamael
4.evil
5.gin
6.seapilots
7.robusk
8.jcred5
9.steelers821
10.siedek?
11.eleibowitz
12.carbonjones

logain;dspahlinger;ashamael;xxevilivexx;ginandjuice;seapilots;robusk;jcred5;steelers821;siedek;carbonjones
2/12/2013 6:25 PM
Don't fully understand but Im in
2/12/2013 8:41 PM (edited)
great! There are lots of answers to the details.. and those answers exist in another thread. If you want to read all the details let me know.
2/19/2013 3:43 PM
bump. added complete rules. half way there. 
2/20/2013 2:43 AM
You can count on Carbon Jones. 
2/20/2013 12:32 PM
cool. 13 in
2/22/2013 2:51 PM
Here is a partial list of the guys that will be in the first age.. the full list is long.. but anyway, all guys that entered the sim before 1985.. that aren't on that heroes list.. here are a few..

pre-1985

Wes Unseld
Bob Lanier
Larry Nance
Sam Perkins
Hal Greer
Derek Harper
Kevin McHale
Lenny Wilkens
Terry Cummings
Bill Laimbeer
Dolph Schayes
Maurice Cheeks
Paul Silas
Isiah Thomas
Walt Frazier
Dennis Johnson
Chet Walker
Dale Ellis
Tom Chambers
Caldwell Jones
Bailey Howell
Dave Cowens
Walter Davis
Reggie Theus
Dave DeBusschere
Bob McAdoo
James Worthy
Maurice Lucas
Bob Cousy
Zelmo Beaty
Spencer Haywood
Bill Bridges
Sam Lacey
Gail Goodrich
Rolando Blackman
Dave Bing
Billy Paultz
Bernard King
George McGinnis
Bob Dandridge
Dick Van Arsdale
Bobby Jones
Ron Boone
Nate Archibald
Randy Smith
Billy Cunningham
Michael Cage
Lou Hudson
Byron Scott
John Kerr
Calvin Murphy
Alvan Adams
Louie Dampier
Mychal Thompson
Jamaal Wilkes
Mark Aguirre
Paul Arizin
Earl Monroe
Jerome Kersey
Dan Roundfield
Bill Cartwright
Willis Reed
James Donaldson
Marques Johnson
Richie Guerin
Jeff Malone
Jack Twyman
Herb Williams
Jo Jo White
Rudy Tomjanovich
Alvin Robertson
Gus Williams
Sidney Moncrief
Rodney McCray
James Edwards
Sidney Wicks
Mel Daniels
World B. Free
Bob Boozer
Cliff Hagan
Mickey Johnson
Cedric Maxwell
Truck Robinson
Dick Barnett
Thurl Bailey
Larry Foust
Larry Kenon
Leroy Ellis
Danny Ainge
Happy Hairston
Mike Gminski
Johnny Green
Jerry Sloan
Norm Van Lier
Kiki Vandeweghe
Connie Hawkins
Fat Lever
Scott Wedman
Rudy Larusso
Mike Mitchell
Bob Love
Norm Nixon
Neil Johnston
Tree Rollins
Billy Knight
Sleepy Floyd
Rick Mahorn
Sam Jones
Mark Eaton

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