1/18/2013 8:18 AM
http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/Boxscore.aspx?gid=51875040&pbp=0

Frasor is #2 on my 2B DR.  #1 was in CF.
Gordon is #3 in RF.  1-2 were already in the game.
Anuery is #1 in LF.
Burnett is #1 at 3B.

I'd have been better served leaving Lopez at 3B(he's a SS) but that's on me.   I set the order based on the old program.  Time to adjust.
1/18/2013 12:03 PM
Box Score.

Think I've got it working right now, though I had to simplify my Defensive Replacement Hierarchy considerably to do so. I'm going to slowly work towards getting it back to what it was. 

Biggest drawback to me seems to be the inability to slide multiple players. For example, it appears as though it won't put a sub in at SS, move the SS to 3B, and move the 3B to RF. I've got to test more closely to make sure, but that seems to be a limitation.

The update entry concerning listed positions, however, does not seem to be working.

Boxscore has been modified to show a player's original and final position to help better track in-game position changes.

In the box score above, you cannot tell that Joshua Glover moved to LF after the defensive subs by the box score - only if you read the play-by-play.


1/18/2013 12:12 PM
Not in my case.  Anuery was at 2B, Burnett was in RF,  Both moved.
1/18/2013 12:32 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 1/18/2013 12:12:00 PM (view original):
Not in my case.  Anuery was at 2B, Burnett was in RF,  Both moved.
Right, but they both moved because each had defensive subs come in for their starting positions, correct?

Perhaps I was unclear - in order to have multiple people move position, you need to have multiple subs come in.

The ability to have a SS come in and push more than one person over a spot on the defensive spectrum (my example of starting SS going to 3B, starting 3B going to RF) doesn't seem to be there, does it?
1/18/2013 1:49 PM
I'm not sure.   I guess it depends on how deep your replacements run.   The number 1 guys moved to LF/3B.   The highest listed RFnot in the game was inserted as did my highest rated 2B not in the game.    If my #2 SS had been playing(with the #1 on the bench), I think the #2 SS would have moved IF he had been listed ahead of someone on the field.

I think one will need to tinker with the settings to get it right.
1/18/2013 5:06 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 1/18/2013 1:49:00 PM (view original):
I'm not sure.   I guess it depends on how deep your replacements run.   The number 1 guys moved to LF/3B.   The highest listed RFnot in the game was inserted as did my highest rated 2B not in the game.    If my #2 SS had been playing(with the #1 on the bench), I think the #2 SS would have moved IF he had been listed ahead of someone on the field.

I think one will need to tinker with the settings to get it right.
Definitely.

Boxscore

Here I do not have a def replacement listed in the hierarchy at all for SS nor 3B, so in the bottom of the 9th, down 3-1, my 3B is PH for by my LH platoon C Tyler Kingston, who walks. My CF then hits into a double play,  followed by my SS being pinch hit for by a bench player Will Bottalico (LF), who hits a single. Then another Power Hitting bench player (LF), David Fujiwara PHs for my P, hits another single, and is then replaced by a PR Eduardo Posada (2b/CF). The next guy up hits a 2 run double to tie it up.

Then in the top of the 10th, Bottalico stays in the game at SS, and Posada stays in at 3B. Shockingly no damage done by this move in this instance, But I can't for the life of me figure out why Bottalico was chosen over Posada to play SS. Neither are good options obviously, but it would seem that Posada is a much better choice for SS than Bottalico...

I've actually just unchecked the PH boxes next to my SS and 3B to avoid this in the future, but wonder how I'd have to set up the hierarchy to avoid such horrible def at SS and 3B, which imo are the two most critical def spots on the field.
1/19/2013 6:21 PM
I think this game (Box Score) is good evidence of the limitation on shifting players - that you can only have one shift associated with each sub.

Everyone in this game has the box checked to allow defensive replacements and here was the Defensive Replacement Hierarchy:

ML Defensive Replacement Hierarchy

Pos 1 2 3 4 5 Action
C - - - - -
1B - - A. Azocar - -
2B - - - - -
3B M. Ramirez H. Eusebio - - -
SS - - - - -
LF S. Goldstein - - - -
CF - - - - -
RF C. Stein - - - -

Here is the top of the 7th (with defensive replacement highlighted):

Seattle Mariners 1 2 1
Minnesota Twins 4 5 1
7
7
Seattle Mariners

  M.Ramirez enters the game at 3B as a defensive replacement.  
  C.Stein enters the game at RF as a defensive replacement.  
  S.Goldstein moves to LF.  
  C.Pettitte enters the game to pitch.  
  T.Hines grounds out to 2B.  
  M.Hoyt hits a shallow flyout to RCF.  
  C.Laker pops out to 1B.

Stein came in to play RF, as he should have. As per the Hierarchy, the starting RF (Goldstein) then goes to play LF in place of Azocar. Azocar, however, leaves the game, rather than go play 1B as he should have according to the Hierarchy.
1/20/2013 2:04 AM
Good illustration. I actually kinda like that SIMMY'S will only shift one player. Mostly because its pretty rare in MLB when a manager moves more than a player or two around at a time. We've all seen a player switch positions when a sub comes in for whatever reason; but I don't think I've ever seen a guy go into CF, then the CF go into RF, then the RF go to LF, then the LF go to 1B and the 1B is the player who is actually subbed out. More realistic, IMO, that the manager only does one positional move on a def sub.
1/20/2013 9:40 PM
"Improved relief pitcher selection for tie games in 7th or later when closer should not enter, manager now looks at specialists before setup pitchers. Previously, specialists were being looked at after setup pitchers in this situation."

So is it worth having specialists on your pitching staff now?
1/20/2013 10:37 PM
Posted by trento96 on 1/20/2013 9:40:00 PM (view original):
"Improved relief pitcher selection for tie games in 7th or later when closer should not enter, manager now looks at specialists before setup pitchers. Previously, specialists were being looked at after setup pitchers in this situation."

So is it worth having specialists on your pitching staff now?
I have roster expansion starting tomorrow and I'll be giving Bruce Brown (http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=4372911) a call-up to be a RH specialist for the rest of the season as part of a short-handed pen.

I suspect, given the limitations of only tie games in the 7th or later when the closer should not enter, that they still won't be worth a roster spot for the majority of the season though.
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