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2/4/2013 2:36 PM (edited)
  • 1/14 AM - Frazzman80 "weary of fatigue" forfeits to yargespd1 "hope for the best"
  • 1/14 PM - Frazzman loses to yargespd1 (no forfeit needed)
  • 1/14 PM2 - Frazzman80 "weary of fatigue" forfeits to yargespd1 "hope for the best"
  • 1/16 Am - Biglenr "Fecal matter hits cooling device" forfeits to sgsmith "I 5hit you not"
  • 1/16 Pm - Biglenr "Fecal matter hits cooling device" forfeits to sgsmith "I 5hit you not"
  • 1/16 PM2 - Biglenr "- no forfeit needed
  • 1/17 Am - Biglenr "Fecal matter hits cooling device" forfeits to sgsmith "I 5hit you not"
  • 1/17 Am - Kriz "No Extra Innings Please" forfeits to Rickysdad44 "13 armed monster of the hump" - 4 game series, only one game needs reversed.
  • 1/17 AM thru 1-18 PM - Double forfeit series Nhtsteven's "Deadball rebellion" and italyprof's "Northern New Jersey Yankees" both get four losses for this series.  We'll see how Admin deals with this, I've done it in the past, but their support staff isn't the same  quality as it was 3 years ago.  (Because of later issues with owner Nhsteven, we will just let this series sit as played).
  • 1/18 PM2 and 1/19 AM - Nhsteven "Deadball Rebellion" forfeits to Sh1t you not Sgsmith's team... .No games impacted, but 2nd series violation for Nhtsteven
  • 1/20 AM and 1/20 PM - NHstever's "Deadball Rebellion" forfeits the 4 game series to carpetbagger's "No Chance in Hell".  2 games affected, 1/20am and 1/20 PM
  • NHSTEVEN is playoff ineligible.  Violations in 3 series
  • 1/16Am thru 1/17 AM - Shaybee's "Now for something completely different" forfeits a 4 game series to Yargespd1 "Hope for the best".  Games forfeitted are 1/16p, 1/16 pm2, and 1/17 am
  •  Eman_wi's "Reason #1 why people do what we hate" and  disco dog's "Crazy train" have a double forfeit.  Each loses all games of the 4 game series for 1/16 am through 1/17 am.
  •   Disco Dogs "crazy train" forfeits the 1/21 PM2 game to frazzman80's "weary of fatigue" for a violation in the 1/21 PM game
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Above sent to admin in a ticket 2/4/  Will keep posted as to results
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1/15/2013 8:59 AM
My posts are the official ones, will accept forfeit reports here, and will update when requests sent to admin to fix.
1/17/2013 8:16 PM
1/17 AM - Shaybee "And Now for Something..." forfeits to cuppie1 "Fatigue League Intrigue"  David Segui starts at 97%
1/18/2013 1:24 AM
1/16 PM2 - Disco Dogs starts Paul Konerko and Luis Salazar (97% each)
1/17 AM - Disco Dogs starts Roberto Clemente (97%) and eman_wi starts Dixie Walker (97%). 
1/17 PM2 - eman_wi starts Dixie Walker (96%)

1/21/2013 12:33 AM (edited)
1/18 pm2 nhsteven (Dead Ball Rebellion) starts tired guys against sgsmith (5h1t You Not) - no forfeit needed.
EDIT 1/21 am:
1/19 am - ditto - and see below
1/19/2013 12:13 AM

I posted in the league forum and am smailing you as well.

nhsteven's post following the 1/18 PM game (following 3 straight games where he broke the 98% player rule including starting the same pitcher 3 games in a row and the same fatigues players in his lineup):

01/18 14:15
nhsteven
Surrendered 16 HRs in give up game

My responses:
01/19 00:07
frazzman80
I bet that the position players you sat are at 100% since you played Patterson at 58, Valo at 70 and Westlake at 72 in the AM game, then Patterson at 43 and Westlake at 61 in the PM game. That's crap to tank 3 games just to win more later.

01/19 00:04
frazzman80
This was after starting the same pitcher (Reith) 3 games in a row at 100%, then 10% and 11%. Seriuosly? I see this as a way of circumventing the rules. Forfeits don't hurt you if you lose anyway, and this was blatently breaking the rules.

01/18 23:59
frazzman80
You gave up 54 runs and started a pitcher at 11%...forfeits aren't enough for crap like that.

01/18 23:58
frazzman80
I think everyone should be making a reasonable effort to win games and not "give up".

01/18 23:57
frazzman80
Aren't "give up" games part of the fatigue stretegy this league is trying to stop? Last I checked, the "play scrubs" "give up" tactic was part of the fatigue strategy. As is the "give up a ton of runs so I fatigue my oppoent" portion of it.
 

1/19/2013 12:14 AM
I'm sure that this will cause a firestorm, but "I HATE this sh!t" and I ESPECIALLY hate tanking.
1/19/2013 12:38 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that breaks the "Spirit of the Rules" part biglenr mentioned. I'm sure throwing a scrub at 100% would be borderline acceptable as a way to avoid fatigue, but to throw a scrub below that to avoid fatigue is clearly (in my mind) the very thing this league is trying to stop. That IS the whole point of the fatigue strategy, controlling your losses by resting your starters in games you intend (or can afford) to lose anyway.
1/21/2013 11:33 AM
Posted by just4me on 1/19/2013 12:38:00 AM (view original):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that breaks the "Spirit of the Rules" part biglenr mentioned. I'm sure throwing a scrub at 100% would be borderline acceptable as a way to avoid fatigue, but to throw a scrub below that to avoid fatigue is clearly (in my mind) the very thing this league is trying to stop. That IS the whole point of the fatigue strategy, controlling your losses by resting your starters in games you intend (or can afford) to lose anyway.
Couldn't agree more. My thought is that this should be looked at as multiple violations instead of just 1 series.
1/21/2013 8:36 PM (edited)
Disco Dogs started Roberto Clemente in LF at 97% in my 1/21 PM game (no forfeit needed).
In the PM2 game, a forfeit will be needed.

That ends the series.
1/25/2013 10:17 AM
Posted by frazzman80 on 1/21/2013 8:36:00 PM (view original):
Disco Dogs started Roberto Clemente in LF at 97% in my 1/21 PM game (no forfeit needed).
In the PM2 game, a forfeit will be needed.

That ends the series.
Clemente was 98% in PM2 so no forfeit, thx!
1/29/2013 12:57 PM
OK, check the forfeit sheets.

I have reviewed all sitemails, and posts to this thread.  If anyone disagrees, please get to me by 1/31 at noon EST, before I submit the forfeit requests.
1/29/2013 2:36 PM
Posted by cuppie1 on 1/17/2013 8:16:00 PM (view original):
1/17 AM - Shaybee "And Now for Something..." forfeits to cuppie1 "Fatigue League Intrigue"  David Segui starts at 97%
Is this in addition to, or the same as, the forfeit listed for me above for the 1/17 am game?
1/29/2013 2:48 PM
That's the same forfeit... I used that as the source of the complaint.  I've audited a few days of games, but haven't found any violations that aren't reported here...
1/29/2013 3:13 PM
Thanks.  Is Admin going to actually make the changes to the W-L records in the standings throughout the season (or in batches perhaps), or only at the end of the year?
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