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8/15/2012 3:07 PM
ADD MELKY TO THE LONG LIST
8/15/2012 3:19 PM
Shocking.
8/22/2012 2:11 PM
Gots another one..
8/22/2012 2:15 PM
And Bartolo Colon joins the ranks of the rank ...
8/22/2012 3:09 PM
Year Tm G GS CG SH IP H ER HR BB K W L S ERA WHIP
1997 CLE 19 17 1 0 94.0 107 59 12 45 66 4 7 0 5.65 1.617
1998 CLE 31 31 6 2 204.0 205 84 15 79 158 14 9 0 3.71 1.392
1999 CLE 32 32 1 1 205.0 185 90 24 76 161 18 5 0 3.95 1.273
2000 CLE 30 30 2 1 188.0 163 81 21 98 212 15 8 0 3.88 1.388
2001 CLE 34 34 1 0 222.3 220 101 26 90 201 14 12 0 4.09 1.394
2002 MON 33 33 8 3 233.3 219 76 20 70 150 20 8 0 2.93 1.239
2003 CHI-A 34 34 10 0 242.0 223 104 30 67 173 15 13 0 3.87 1.198
2004 ANA 34 34 0 0 208.3 215 116 38 71 158 18 12 0 5.01 1.373
2005 LAA 33 33 2 0 222.7 215 86 26 43 157 21 8 0 3.48 1.159
2006 LAA 10 10 1 1 56.3 71 32 11 11 31 1 5 0 5.11 1.456
2007 LAA 19 18 0 0 99.3 132 70 15 29 76 6 8 0 6.34 1.621
2008 BOS 7 7 0 0 39.0 44 17 5 10 27 4 2 0 3.92 1.385
2009 CHI-A 12 12 0 0 62.3 69 29 13 21 38 3 6 0 4.19 1.444
2011 NY-A 29 26 1 1 164.3 172 73 21 40 135 8 10 0 4.00 1.290
2012 OAK 24 24 0 0 152.3 161 58 17 23 91 10 9 0 3.43 1.208
8/22/2012 3:16 PM

Season        W-L  ERA  WHIP Age

2006-2009 14-21 5.14 1.506 32-36

2011-2012 18-19 3.72 1.250 37-39
8/22/2012 3:55 PM
Can't think of any reason both of them shouldn't have tried something.

Both were on their way out. 
8/22/2012 4:17 PM
8/22/2012 6:24 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/22/2012 3:55:00 PM (view original):
Can't think of any reason both of them shouldn't have tried something.

Both were on their way out. 
I understand entirely what you're saying: try to milk a couple more years with big paychecks - at least relative to what they could make doing anything else - and at least hope to cash a few paychecks before getting caught (and at most, never get caught).  Still, I can't justify the logic that says "if you can't compete fairly, cheat."
8/22/2012 8:02 PM
Well, it depends on what you consider cheating.

Tommy John surgery cheating?
Contact lenses cheating?
Personal cook cheating?
Batting cage in the backyard cheating?

All of those are "outside help" to make a player better.  
8/22/2012 8:06 PM
To quote our President "You didn't build that."     Well, I guess one could perform their own TJS or make their own contacts but it's unlikely.
8/22/2012 8:07 PM
Given that MLB now has a strict anti-doping policy I think it's fairly obviously cheating since it's breaking an explicit rule.  Same as the spitball.  Doesn't mean people aren't still going to make it into the HOF by doing it, but for some reason the difference seems to be that the BWAA will put you in even if everybody knows you threw the spitter and got away with it, but they won't put you in if you used PEDs or even are under any remote suspicion of having used PEDs.
8/22/2012 8:09 PM
Is framing a pitch cheating?   Pretending you caught a short hop?  Stealing a sign?
8/22/2012 8:18 PM
YES
8/22/2012 8:23 PM
Then why don't panties get wadded when that happens?
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