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2/22/2013 6:24 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/22/2013 2:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bheid408 on 2/22/2013 12:41:00 PM (view original):
The actual cruelty is part of the mass food process. It isnt intentional and it isnt common, but it does exist.

And if we try to stop it the single mother in Detroit will not be able to buy chicken for $.89 a pound.


Mistreating animals has nothing to do with selling price. As a matter of fact, mistreating an animal will only result in damage to the meat of that animal once it reaches the slaughter plant. Damaged product raisies costs, it doesn't make it cheaper.

Tyson and other giant corporations raise animals in huge facilities and those animals are taken care of just as good as animals that are free-ranged. They get to live in a facility that is constantly monitored and adjusted to provide the best enviroment for that animal. It is always warm or cool, whatever the animal requires, they always have something to eat and drink, their feces fall thru openings in the floor so they aren't in contact with them, they get medication at the slightest hint of an onset of sickness or disease. One could argue that most animals in today's modern production facilities have it better that most humans.

The animal rights activists only want the general public to believe that modern animal production in todays world is wrong because they don't want anyone to eat meat. They think an animal is equal to a human. Animal cruelty should not be looked at as anything different than physical cruelty to a human. If that is abuse such as hitting or kicking or whatever then so be it., I agree, you should not do that to an animal as well but making an animal live in a pristine enviroment is not cruelty in anyway shape or form. It's just a total misconception that animal activists want everyone, who don't have a clue about animal production, to believe.
I have to disagree with your paragraph starting with "Tyson and other giant corporations..."

For example:

The broiler chicken industry produces 6 billion chickens a year for slaughter. This industry is ruled by only 60 companies which have created an oligopoly. Broiler chickens are selectively bred and genetically altered to produce bigger thighs and breasts, the parts in most demand. This breeding creates birds so heavy that their bones cannot support their weight, making it difficult for them to stand. The birds are bred to grow at an astonishing rate, reaching their market weight of 3 1/2 pounds in seven weeks. Broilers are raised in overcrowded broiler houses instead of cages to prevent the occurrence of bruised flesh which would make their meat undesirable. Their beaks and toes are cut off and the broiler houses are usually unlit to prevent fighting among the birds.
I don't question the fact that they have been bred to produce bigger cuts of meat but the genetically altered part is questionable. I also don't believe that they are rasied in overcrowded broiler houses. Being raised in a matter of seven weeks like you say would hardly create overcrowded conditions except for maybe the last week when they reach their full weight and need more space. Is that worse than being raised outdoors in the extremes of weather and subject to predators? Their beaks and toes are cut off to prevent fighting because the chickens are males and that is what male chickens do. Ever heard of **** fights?
2/22/2013 6:31 PM

Uh, normal chickens and those in **** fights aren't the same.   A standard chicken is about as dangerous as a newborn baby.

2/22/2013 6:51 PM
bheid, the biggest problem is the rate that they grow. 20% of broilers have chronic leg pain/deformities/etc. Many can't walk or reach the water and die of thirst. That's a pretty awful and inhumane way to die. As they grow their hearts and lungs give out, another ****** way to die. The chicken industry accepts the high mortality rate because it's more profitable to grow big chickens fast and still lose a **** ton to thirst and lung failure.

Also, there's usually 10,000 packed into one grow house. So the air is pretty horrible to breathe. Not sure how much that really affects chickens, though.
2/22/2013 6:56 PM
I'd like to add that huge, overweight, struggling to walk chicken is less dangerous than a newborn baby.   

To think a big *** chicken with breasts the size of Kate Upton's will somehow jump in the air and damage another chicken with his tiny talons is silly.
2/22/2013 8:10 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/22/2013 6:51:00 PM (view original):
bheid, the biggest problem is the rate that they grow. 20% of broilers have chronic leg pain/deformities/etc. Many can't walk or reach the water and die of thirst. That's a pretty awful and inhumane way to die. As they grow their hearts and lungs give out, another ****** way to die. The chicken industry accepts the high mortality rate because it's more profitable to grow big chickens fast and still lose a **** ton to thirst and lung failure.

Also, there's usually 10,000 packed into one grow house. So the air is pretty horrible to breathe. Not sure how much that really affects chickens, though.
So are you going to tell my single mother of 2 that she has to pay $3.89 a pound for chicken instead of $.89  becuase you feel bad about the Chickens?
2/23/2013 9:08 AM
Do you think anyone would be buying chicken at $3.89 a lb?
2/23/2013 9:24 AM
Only at this website can a discussion thread about President Obama turn into a discussion about how to treat chickens.
2/23/2013 9:47 AM
Uh, there's a 60+ page thread in the football forums that started about Ray Lewis, quickly morphed into "Is Brady overrated?" and has evolved, over the last 10 pages, into a RSF that goes something like this:

"Did too!"
"Did not!"
"Did too provide proof of a young earth!"
"No you didn't!"
"Did too!!  Won that argument last month!"
"Did not!!!"

 

2/23/2013 10:21 AM
No it didn't!
2/23/2013 3:49 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/23/2013 9:08:00 AM (view original):
Do you think anyone would be buying chicken at $3.89 a lb?
http://thebillfold.com/2012/04/is-whole-foods-really-that-more-expensive/

2/23/2013 3:50 PM
Whole foods in a mainstream grocery store where you cna purchase food that isnt scared by the mean farmers.
2/24/2013 1:32 PM
2 reasons why free-range chickens are higher priced than a regular chicken.

1. There are less of them, simple supply and demand economics can make a huge difference in price. Increase the supply of the free-range chickens and price would come down.

2. Some people believe that free-range chickens taste better and are a healtier option. To the best of my knowledge all meat is inspected. If it isn't healthy it wouldn't/shouldn't be on the shelves. So the healthy part of this reason is a total misconception by the consumer. As for the taste part, that is in the mouth of the beholder.
2/24/2013 2:12 PM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 2/22/2013 8:10:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/22/2013 6:51:00 PM (view original):
bheid, the biggest problem is the rate that they grow. 20% of broilers have chronic leg pain/deformities/etc. Many can't walk or reach the water and die of thirst. That's a pretty awful and inhumane way to die. As they grow their hearts and lungs give out, another ****** way to die. The chicken industry accepts the high mortality rate because it's more profitable to grow big chickens fast and still lose a **** ton to thirst and lung failure.

Also, there's usually 10,000 packed into one grow house. So the air is pretty horrible to breathe. Not sure how much that really affects chickens, though.
So are you going to tell my single mother of 2 that she has to pay $3.89 a pound for chicken instead of $.89  becuase you feel bad about the Chickens?
No one is telling anyone they have to buy anything.
2/24/2013 2:49 PM
Posted by bheid408 on 2/24/2013 1:32:00 PM (view original):
2 reasons why free-range chickens are higher priced than a regular chicken.

1. There are less of them, simple supply and demand economics can make a huge difference in price. Increase the supply of the free-range chickens and price would come down.

2. Some people believe that free-range chickens taste better and are a healtier option. To the best of my knowledge all meat is inspected. If it isn't healthy it wouldn't/shouldn't be on the shelves. So the healthy part of this reason is a total misconception by the consumer. As for the taste part, that is in the mouth of the beholder.
I think you're confusing healthy with safe on #2.  There's lots of food that's approved for sale that isn't exactly healthy.
2/24/2013 4:53 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/24/2013 2:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 2/22/2013 8:10:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 2/22/2013 6:51:00 PM (view original):
bheid, the biggest problem is the rate that they grow. 20% of broilers have chronic leg pain/deformities/etc. Many can't walk or reach the water and die of thirst. That's a pretty awful and inhumane way to die. As they grow their hearts and lungs give out, another ****** way to die. The chicken industry accepts the high mortality rate because it's more profitable to grow big chickens fast and still lose a **** ton to thirst and lung failure.

Also, there's usually 10,000 packed into one grow house. So the air is pretty horrible to breathe. Not sure how much that really affects chickens, though.
So are you going to tell my single mother of 2 that she has to pay $3.89 a pound for chicken instead of $.89  becuase you feel bad about the Chickens?
No one is telling anyone they have to buy anything.
If you create a series of oppressive regulations that force Tyson to treat Chickens "Nice" you will force the prices up.

You will create a nation where you cannot produce $.98 chicken.

You may not be telling them to do it, but you will be forcing them to do it.

I assume you want to have someone else tell the people of America that you are in essence "Taxing" them to be nice to chickens.
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