but man, when Bedard was healthy....

Posted by seamar_116 on 9/3/2014 10:37:00 AM (view original):
but man, when Bedard was healthy....

Which was about as often as Nolan Reimold has been healthy.

One thing I will say about Tillman is that he gets the team wins. How much you want to factor that in to him being an ace or not, it's still impressive. The team is currently 21-9 in his starts, including winning his last 8. And a lot of that has been his doing as he wasn't getting much run support early on. The bullpen even blew a 7-3 lead yesterday before the O's got the win.

Since mid-2012, Tillman has gotten nothing but results. The team is 52-26 when he starts.

He's had great run support - 8th in MLB of qualified pitchers this year.  11th last year.  Only pitched 86 innings in 2012 but was 16th if you drop the min inning requirement down to 80.  That'll help the W-L record.

Who cares about W-L record, anyway?

Posted by dahsdebater on 9/5/2014 10:53:00 PM (view original):
Who cares about W-L record, anyway?

Pitcher W/L? No one.

Anyone who doesn't look at wins is a fool. Does it mean anything by itself? No. But a pitcher with a .667 winning percentage over a 3 year span is clearly a guy who gives his team a chance to win every time he takes the mound. Tillman always has his team in position to win the games he starts. I'll take that all day every day.

Despite Buck's best attempts to completely mail in this series, Nelson Cruz single-handedly won it for them.

Posted by Jtpsops on 9/7/2014 7:04:00 PM (view original):
Anyone who doesn't look at wins is a fool. Does it mean anything by itself? No. But a pitcher with a .667 winning percentage over a 3 year span is clearly a guy who gives his team a chance to win every time he takes the mound. Tillman always has his team in position to win the games he starts. I'll take that all day every day.

Not to beat this dead horse but pitcher w/l is just about the worst measurement you can use.

Tillman is a good pitcher. Pitcher W/L is a bad stat.

Posted by Jtpsops on 9/7/2014 7:04:00 PM (view original):
Anyone who doesn't look at wins is a fool. Does it mean anything by itself? No. But a pitcher with a .667 winning percentage over a 3 year span is clearly a guy who gives his team a chance to win every time he takes the mound. Tillman always has his team in position to win the games he starts. I'll take that all day every day.

That's bull.  You can prove it by simple extension.  The sum of your pitchers' records is your team's record.  The Orioles have a better record than the Mariners.  By your logic, that would strongly imply that the Orioles have a better pitching staff than the Mariners.  Which is hilariously far from the truth.  Felix Hernandez has a .577 career winning percentage.  That's 18th among active pitchers (Tillman doesn't have enough decisions to qualify).  At most 1 or 2 of those pitchers are better than King Felix.  Matt Cain and Hiroki Kuroda are .500 for their careers.  Matt Garza and Aaron Harang are below .500.  Does that make them "worse" in your view than guys with great winning percentages (over 55%), like Scott Baker, Shaun Marcum, Jorge de la Rosa, or Ervin Santana?  It's not like there are a few examples of pitchers for whom W/L is a horrible indicator of pitching prowess.  There are better than a dozen active right now, easily over 100 in the history of the game.

I would say anyone who DOES look at wins very hard is a fool.  Total waste of time and distraction from meaningful stats.

Although I don't really want to say anyone is a fool.  But anyone who spends much time looking at wins is misguided, and wasting a lot of time.

Depends. If you look at wins in a vacuum, I agree. I'll never say 'HE HAS THE MOST WINS! HE'S THE BEST!" But to act like wins have no meaning is ludicrous. A team doesn't go 52-26 in your starts over 3 years because you're lucky or constantly get 6+ runs a game.

No, he consistently gets 5+ runs/game (5.33 2012, 4.82 last year, 5.00 this year).  You still don't have to be THAT good to win when you get that kind of run support.

Kaz goes 8 and gives up 1 run.  Getss the L.  Yep, W/L shows how good a pitcher is....

Chris Davis gets 25 games for the speed.

LOL